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This is a claim almost as old as time itself… well UnixTime. It’s spread about by both Linux and Mac partisans (edit: and of course, Apple) as proof that using Windows is akin to living in a leper colony. You don’t see a citation for it. That’s because it is BS. It comes about from doing things like counting every slight modification as a separate virus and trojan and worm and through counting every individual Symantec signature (which not only counts the changes as above, but also legit-but-questionable software like commercial keylogging and monitoring software like the type the boss who distrusts you just installed on your workstation).

Of course, the numbers are further goosed by counting every variation of every malware program that affected any version of Windows. Those Windows 3.1 and 95 virus are never removed from the counts, even if they cannot harm a modern Windows computer.

If you used the same standards to Apple computers, MacDefender would be about a dozen viruses on its own, and we’d be counting the infections that felled System 7 or Mac OS 8.0 too.

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#1 Posted by Linsuxoid on Apr 16, 2012 1:10 AM

And Flashback is actually exactly what I've asked as a proof of Windows alleged virus problems. Major virus outbreak (more than 1% of the overall population - I can't remember a single Windows malware that big) riding on the back of 0-day vulnerability (it was indeed 0-day for MacOSX - no vendor patch has been available, even though at that point patch has been available for other platforms for 2 months already).

Again, there was NOTHING like this in Windows world in the last 10 years (yes, I even include summer-of-worms and other pre-SDL times).

#2 Posted by FibberMcGee on Apr 22, 2012 4:23 PM

I totally forgot that in Apple's commercial, they enumerated the number of supposed PC viruses at 114,000. That said, it's still adorable that they still have the talking point up on its "Switch" page. OK, it's still true in a sense -- Macs don't get PC viruses. Unless, of course, you install Windows via Bootcamp -- then you'll be as suceptible to PC viruses as every other PC. But Macs, as should be plainly obviously by now (but probably won't be to the most deluded fanboy), can get Mac viruses. So, it is potentially open to infections from both worlds.

#3 Posted by DrLoser on Apr 22, 2012 4:50 PM

Vaguely in context:

I was looking for a cheap holiday over the Olympics to Budapest the other day, for tolerably obvious reasons.  Number five or six on Google, and to be fair it could equally well have been Bing, was or something (don't for God's sake take my word for it.  Just something, that's all).

Bingo! Or GoogleO!

Some sort of nasty Javascript cross-site attack, captured by (Windows, free as in ferkin free) Avast.  And I'm using Chrome, not IE.

Once again, and as always, the Loons are behind the curve on this one.  InherentlySecure(TM) be damned.

#4 Posted by FibberMcGee on Apr 22, 2012 5:05 PM

Oh, that was one of the banes of my existance through much of 2008-2009. DeviantArt (where I post a few things now and then)  appears to have done almost no screening of its ads at the time. There were times where every single ad on DA would flag a warning for being a javascript redirect to some fake AV trojanware. Of course, DA had little incentive to monitor these ads because they sold subscription packages to users with one benefit being the subscriptions blocked all ads. Things I hear are better now, but as someone bought me a gift sub for a year, I don't have to deal with those ads for the rest of 2012.

#5 Posted by Flying_Toaster on Apr 22, 2012 5:16 PM


Isn't that like Newgrounds but with more furries? 

#6 Posted by DrLoser on Apr 22, 2012 5:28 PM

Mmmmm ... furries!

Donuts left in RMS's fridge.  Me likey!

#7 Posted by FibberMcGee on Apr 22, 2012 5:41 PM

DA is more for your porn (I mean "artistic nudes"), fan drawings from cartoons or comic books (Slash is a frequent bonus), and emo poetry. (Though how I got there are a few actual professionals post stuff there -- because that is were the fans hang out.)

Furries have their Furvect and Furtopia and whatever. for fanfiction.

And you don't want to know how I know this, but for what can either be considered the Rule 63 (or Mandy's Laws) of fiction.

#8 Posted by DrLoser on Apr 22, 2012 6:05 PM

Emo poetry?

Dear God.


No, I have no interest whatsoever in exploring the tortured mental process that resulted in those links.

Please stop.  Now.

#9 Posted by FibberMcGee on Apr 23, 2012 8:35 AM

I didn't post the links to the emo poetry. I'm not sure you can make money in emo poetry... though I could be wrong. I didn't think you could make money from Twilight fanfiction, but someone managed to. But then again, Twilight is a sheltered-housewife's erotic butchering of gothic romance that I didn't think would amount to anything. I'm four NYTimes bestsellers and five blockbuster movies worth of wrong.

#10 Posted by Adam_King on Apr 25, 2012 12:22 AM

Windoze is an insecure piece of sh!t designed to attract viruses like a f|_|cking magnetar.

F|_|cking Windoze, how does it work?

#11 Posted by FibberMcGee on Apr 25, 2012 12:26 AM

...and Linux appears to attract morons like a magnetar. Welcome back, Adam_King.

#12 Posted by Adam_King on Apr 25, 2012 12:31 AM

No. GNU/Linux attracts the smartest 1% of the population. Fact.

You are an idoit prole for using Windoze. You should be ashamed of yourself and feel bad.

#13 Posted by kurkosdr on Apr 25, 2012 4:37 AM

How many Windows servers were hacked recently? How many Linux servers?

#14 Posted by FibberMcGee on Apr 25, 2012 8:09 AM

You are an idoit prole for using Windoze.

The smartest one percent appear to be unable to spell.

Note: More *Linux* boxen were infected with Flashback than Windows boxen. You should feel bad about that.

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