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It’s far cheaper, and indeed more moral, to sit back on your fat Greek arse and wait for somebody else to steal teh APIs.

I think the really irony here is that a Windows API implementation on a non-Windows system is hardly a novel idea. Sure, you often end up with ill-conceived, half-done garbage like WINE as a sorry excuse of an example, but that’s hardly MS’s fault, is it?

@Dr. L.:

just be cause K and 44 seem to rhyme… mmmm… never mind… gotcha… not that I figured that out or anything… just glad ya didn’t say “glass bowl” or anything. ;-)

...well, I’m sure Kurds…

I think sex is for free for the likes of Kurkos, it’s only licenses that burden him financially.

Also, I didn’t know that the glorious Greek military still used conscripts; well, I’m Kurds understand their decision…

Quoting ReverseControllerSE on May 20 2012 17:44:48 -0400

@KurkosGiven that your needs are already serviced by both Bootcamp and Parallels it’s somewhat strange you complain so much about this issue – and your W7 license can be installed on your Mac (I’m assuming you bought a retail version of it).As far as old Windows games are concerned – you’ll just have to wait for some anthology to come out with modernized versions of them (or buy an old PIII with a Voodoo gfx card).

Are you insane?

Naturally, Kurkos is prepared to part with €1000 or so to buy a Mac.

Equally naturally, it is verboten for a pure, untainted child of Greece to pay anything like €100 for the equivalent Windows license.

Have you any idea what an Athenian prostitute costs, these days?

Not to mention the bribes to get out of “obligatory” military service in a country that doesn’t actually need the military at all.

Hey, Guys, I’ve just had this great idea. Let’s do a Free Source version of Duke Nukem!

You know… that actually happened, just saying.

I’m not sure if it’s actually open source though.

Quoting DrLoser on May 20 2012 9:03:03 -0400

Quoting kurkosdr on May 20 2012 5:48:45 -0400Of course governments have a weird idea about fairnessWe’ll start with Excel, then.What exactly are these all-important “undocumented features?” They don’t affect the GUI. They don’t affect the engine. They don’t affect the macro language. I’ll give you a few binary blobs in OOXML, but that’s about it.

Not often I quote myself, and in fact I’m doing so doubly.

A lot of this stuff is about time, money, and regulations. Does anybody believe that Microsoft came up with OOXML out of the goodness of their heart? I don’t. The customers (ie government organisations) demanded it.

Now, you can fault MS on execution. You can fault them on the fast-tracking. But it’s hard to fault them on the road map.

@Kurkos

Given that your needs are already serviced by both Bootcamp and Parallels it’s somewhat strange you complain so much about this issue – and your W7 license can be installed on your Mac (I’m assuming you bought a retail version of it).

As far as old Windows games are concerned – you’ll just have to wait for some anthology to come out with modernized versions of them (or buy an old PIII with a Voodoo gfx card).

Though paying $100 shouldn’t be a big deal for someone who bought a Mac.

Yeah sure, because Kurkos pays for those…

The problem he has, methinks, has to do with either performance or actual hardware available in VMs – his games might break you see (or rather they do, since he wouldn’t complain otherwise).

Quoting ReverseControllerSE on May 20 2012 17:32:39 -0400

Is there an arguiment here? I fail to perceive it.Kurkos wants MacOS and Linux to have full native Windows compatibility – strangely, VMs are not good enough for him.

The problem with VMs is that you actually have to pay for the license, at maybe $100 a pop.

It’s far cheaper, and indeed more moral, to sit back on your fat Greek arse and wait for somebody else to steal teh APIs.

Is there an arguiment here? I fail to perceive it.

Kurkos wants MacOS and Linux to have full native Windows compatibility – strangely, VMs are not good enough for him.

(My understanding is that ad revenues more or less caught up with cost last quarter, btw.)

Good news everyone!

;)

And now let’s consider relevant alternative examples, shall we? Note that I am not going to whinge about any of them.

Google Search: not quite a monopoly, because Bing is spending half a billion a year trying to capture a slice of the market. (My understanding is that ad revenues more or less caught up with cost last quarter, btw.)

Facebook: not quite a monopoly, but grabbing a billion eyeballs from scratch ain’t gonna be simple.

Industrial Light & Magic: time to open up those undocumented APIs!

Oracle: suddenly every Loon’s second-favourite hate-boy. Almost as good as PostgreSQL. What is wrong with people?

And that’s just “tech.” (Assuming that you can glorify Facebook with the word “tech.”)

Is there an arguiment here? I fail to perceive it.

Ma Bell: A monopoly based upon the backbone network. You can’t compete, because you can’t get on the backbone network.

Standard Oil: a monopoly based upon distribution. You’ve stitched together deals with all the major railroads (themselves a quasi-oligopoly, see “rail barons). You can charge a random price in any given (internal to the US!) market you choose.

I’m abusing the term “monopoly” here, simply as a rebuttal to the insane concept that I have apparently planted in Pirate Boy’s head.

There is no cenceivable way that you can compare Microsoft, who are merely massively dominant in a mature market, tothe likes of Ma Bell and Standard Oil.

Oh, but APIs are only “undocumented” outside Microsoft, aren’t they? All 90,000 of us are privy to the Immaculate Misconception, and we would never tell.

Think again. Microsoft is not the Illuminati.

Just as an aside, I do indeed work (contract) for Microsoft. It irritates the hell out of me when I have to use an undocumented, or semi-documented, API: the latest instance was a poorly-designed Json wrapper out of Research, aptly described by my bosses boss as “a dog.” I found ways around it, but I really wish it hadn’t been necessary.

Scale that up to something the size of Excel, and you’re talking dozens, hundreds, of wasted man-years and unwarranted testing and broken maintenance and stuff.

Does Kurkos, wise as only a twenty year old university student can be in these things, genuinely believe that a professional software organisation would put themselves through this hell, just to stave off the ravening hordes of totally non-existent competition?

A total fucking Loon.

@Linsuxoid:

And I wonder which APIs he refers to. The mythical undocumented ones into the kernel? The APIs into the dlls that constitute the bulk of the engine?

If the former, it’s a provable nonsense, as you say.

If the latter, Pirate Forty-Four is merely asking for the entire application to be made freely available on teh torrentz, only this time for arbitrary operating systems.

After that he’s going to bitch about DRM and phone-back and licensing and stuff. It never ends with freeloaders, does it? And it’s not like anybody else is asking for this stuff.

I’ll leave DA to work out what “forty four” is, in cockney rhyming slang.

Quoting kurkosdr

What I meant to say is that the courts should force MS to document whatever needs to be documentedso that it’s possible to run Windows apps on other OSes (with a tool like Cedega), so that the competition is helped. [sipped rest of nonsense]

And funny part is none of non-Windows Microsoft software uses anything undocumented. Microsoft even documented things that are InherentlyUseless outside of Microsoft. And it’s funny because it’s enough for Office, it’s enough for Visual Studio and loons could only whine. I remember the time when main excuse was: “We are incompatible because formats/protocols are undocumented”. Here, all specifications are right there (and yes they are correct, Microsoft actually made and scraped a separate reimplementation based purely on those docs just to ensure that it’s possible and they will not be fined for another 1-2 billion to sponsor “successful” Limux project). Docx and smb2 implementations are where? And compatible ones?

well since your father’s lingua inglesa has not faith or credit here, I’m having to go by the ol’ “either he’s talkin’ out his anus, or trying to cockney rhyme”. stopper=copper/half-inched=pinched. Forgive me for being relatively edumacated. :P

Quoting DigitalAtheist on May 20 2012 15:26:18 -0400

half-inched? sorry you’re slanging to a guy who lives in area where “half-inch” refers to the length and girth of male genitals… with girth being the more important stat. or could ya be using cockney for “pinched”? (stolen)?

Good lord, another idiot.

Of course I’m talking in my father’s argot, you fool.

half-inched? sorry you’re slanging to a guy who lives in area where “half-inch” refers to the length and girth of male genitals… with girth being the more important stat. or could ya be using cockney for “pinched”? (stolen)?

You’re right. I got carried away. It may have something to do with the fact that my laptop was half-inched last Thursday.

Probably not by a freetard, since I don’t think there are too many of those around Kensington.

Dr. L. Flosstards don’t steal.. they “borrow” from previously established examples. Or at least that is what they “claim” to do. Never mind that it was stealing… totally.

Oh, sorry, by “port” you meant “steal?”

Look, Ma, I can has teh ribbon-free Excel on my QNX system! All I did was to implement teh APIs!

Luckily, as I pointed out earlier, the real work, the 99% of the work, the bit that actually provides value, sits below the APIs, undocumented or not.

Moron.

Here’s how to run a Windows “app” (ugh) on another OS, btw.

Port it.

It isn’t actually all that difficult. 99% of Loon apps have been ported to Windows. As Gesh points out, the MS Office suite has been ported to the Mac.

Nothing in life is free, but let’s face it, this particular lack of freedom is almost invisibly unimportant and remarkably easy to surmount, with or without the Magic Invisible Unknown Fucking APIs that only the Supreme Being can comprehend.

OK, Kurkos, I give up.

I’ve tried to defend you when people call you a freetard, but let’s face it, that’s what you are.

You’re a freetard, a Loon, a paranoid fantasist who sees conspiracies everywhere he looks, an ABMer … the only (slight) difference between you and, say, SJVN is that you have a peculiar attachment to Apple, which of course should never be split up/forked because they aren’t the same at all, no siree.

Unlike the common or garden Loon, however, you are also a noxious thieving pirate, a self-confessed racist, somebody who thinks that prostitution is a Good Thing, a tiny homunculus of a man who is looking forward to a completely unearned sinecure in a Greek bank of all things, and somebody on whom an education is evidently completely wasted.

Is there a point to you?

Quoting kurkosdr on May 20 2012 11:24:02 -0400

What I meant to say is that the courts should force MS to document whatever needs to be documentedso that it’s possible to run Windows apps on other OSes (with a tool like Cedega), so that the competition is helped. Either that or split MS and each of the two companies starting with a fork of Windows. Eventually something has to be done about this situation with PCs, computers are becoming a neccessity and yet for non-Apple computers we have practically a monopoly. MS is the Standard Oil and MaBell of PCs.

Sentence one: Completely ignores my rebuttal.
Sentence two: Assumes the prior. Fork Windows because …?
Sentence three, clause one: Hand-wringing over nothing. “Something must be done!”
Sentence three, clause two: Just plain weird. Are becoming a necessity? Yet for non-Apple? Practically?
Sentence four: Ludicrously false analogy.

Oh, and don’t bother with the standard “but then people can examine the sauce codes”, because really… we don’t give a flaming fuck care about the sauce code… all we care is that the recipe works on our Windows/OSX computers. Seriously. No joking. The sauce codez mean nada to use. Really.

seriously, we out here in the real world just. Don’t. CARE! Really. No matter what your profs are telling you in school… nope.. don’t give a shit/ain’t interested/why should everyonelse be sucking at MS/Apple’s Teat? hmmmmm?

@Kurk Why? Because the other programmers/OS makers are incompetent? The reason there is an advantage for MS, and some for Apple is because all of the other OS makers have failed to capture interest. Trust me. People just. Don’t. CARE! You can whine all you want, but truly, the average PC uers don’t care about anything other than Windows or OSX. And why should they?

What I meant to say is that the courts should force MS to document whatever needs to be documentedso that it’s possible to run Windows apps on other OSes (with a tool like Cedega), so that the competition is helped. Either that or split MS and each of the two companies starting with a fork of Windows. Eventually something has to be done about this situation with PCs, computers are becoming a neccessity and yet for non-Apple computers we have practically a monopoly. MS is the Standard Oil and MaBell of PCs.

And just for the Loons out there: If Mint had come along 10—or even 5—years ago, Linux would probably have been making some inroads. As for Ubuntu? It screwed itself long ago with the BiannualForcedDeathMarch™. Once a year, or even whenever stuff was ready would have been well excepted. But perpetual BetaTester™ mode is NOT gonna win users. As for the rest of Linuxii land: a STEAMING pile of turds.

You are commiting the sin that Loons think that standards are STANDARDS! Standards are what Loon say they are… not what the rest of the world has settled on. Hence, the belief that OGG is a standard but Flash/WMV/hell even RP/MOV are not standards? Never mind that 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the whole frackin’ world uses them and is happy enough.. no… a movie just isn’t standard enough unless is uses OGG?*

never mind that OGG/Theora is a pile of crap that hogs bandwidth/resources like nothing else… and after all.. ain’t the loons all about not hogging bandwidth/resources?

OK then. Useful is apparently difficult. Email is a horrid mess, despite the fact that it’s entirely based on RFCs, aka standards.

Let’s accept that the Loons aren’t up to stepping up to the plate for that one.

Active Directory? Sheet, it’s just LDAP plus APIs (copyright Kurkos). What’s so difficult about that?

Sigh… but then you would be asking for something that is still relatively useful. The Loons are about useful as much as the are about see we can programs us some $#!+ stuff that can run on a pc… we are too soooooo frackin’ coder-ing coders. Big diff.

I’d have thought that cloning Excel circa 1995 would be easier. Hell, even I could do that.

but but… Dr. L., you seem to be implying that the Loon Basement Army of Basement Dwelling Dweebs are not up to the task of implementing globally dominating software. Rank heresy! Given enough Cheetos, I’m sure that they can.. oh wait… the fucks eager young beavers can’t even design games that surpass the 8-bit level of an Atari 2600… who are we trying to kid?

All this talk of APIs puts me in mind of the cringingly stupid Loons who publish a blog piece something like the following:

“Hey, Guys, I’ve just had this great idea. Let’s do a Free Source version of Duke Nukem! I’ve already written the main loop in Python: now all I need is a couple of graphics designers, some storyline editors, and a games engine!”

Yeah, sure, kid. APIs are just the icing on the cake. 99% of the relevant stuff is complicated, inter-connected stuff underneath, all of which takes time, effort, skill, testing, and all the boring work that whiny little conspiracy theorists would never want to do, even if they could.

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Novel idea on WINE, though. It would certainly be a rip-roaring success if Microsoft could be forced to open up all those “undocumented APIs.”

Nothing at all to do with it being a stupid idea based on the idiocy of an emulator and programmed by a random crowd of incompetent amateurs, oh no, not at all. Microsoft Is To Blame.

Excel is arguably one of the more “open” commercial applications around. There are even one or two perfectly decent alternatives around (PlanMaker springs to mind, in much the same way that Libre Office doesn’t). How come Microsoft Office applications are suddenly held to a far more stringent level of “standards” than, say, Adobe or even Lotus/IBM?

And why is software such a conspicuously different business to, say, aircraft manufacture?

And for that matter, where’s the huge clamour for any of this? One Greek student doesn’t amount to much. And even if you got your way and every single last line of Microsoft software was freely available, what on earth would you do with it?

Presumably you’d sit on your fat rump complaining that a lot of lazy programmers aren’t building the next unspecified panacea to whatever ills you are currently imagining.

Quoting kurkosdr on May 20 2012 5:48:45 -0400
Of course governments have a weird idea about fairness (“you can convert and AudioCD to mp3, many devices do it out of the box, but you can’t convert a music DVD-Video of the same album to divx or mp4, because of the dmca”), so I don’t expect MS to be forced to document anything.PS: Now that we clarified that undocumented features are needed to achieve compatibility with Windows apps, do what you have to do and try to prove MS shouldn’t be forced to document their undocumented features and asf by the anti-trust authorities so that others can achieve compatibility (because MS uses their market share to impose said semiundocumented standards)

We’ll start with Excel, then.

What exactly are these all-important “undocumented features?” They don’t affect the GUI. They don’t affect the engine. They don’t affect the macro language. I’ll give you a few binary blobs in OOXML, but that’s about it.

Kurkos … God damn .. /facepalm.
First MS provide you an API (which is documented, go look at MSDN). When they create the API, are they, who is gonna tell you what to use and what not to use.
Second Excel is their product and they have control over it and the OS it is running on, hence they can do whatever the hell they want.
Third Excel is an application, not a standard, where everyone can create one’s implementation. MS choose platforms to support and the platforms are OS X and Windows and that is. They simply don’t give a fuck about WINE in the same way most of the ISVs, game developers, etc. don’t give a fuck about linux.
Fourth – apparently MS managed “to really achieve compatibility” between Excel and OS X without relaying on undocumented features.
Fifth – for fun stories about undocumented features, browse the old new thing.
PS you clarified nothing. If you want to achieve compatability with windows app, you should, use windows (mindblowing). Did Adam steal your keyboard?

Of course governments have a weird idea about fairness (“you can convert and AudioCD to mp3, many devices do it out of the box, but you can’t convert a music DVD-Video of the same album to divx or mp4, because of the dmca”), so I don’t expect MS to be forced to document anything.

PS: Now that we clarified that undocumented features are needed to achieve compatibility with Windows apps, do what you have to do and try to prove MS shouldn’t be forced to document their undocumented features and asf by the anti-trust authorities so that others can achieve compatibility (because MS uses their market share to impose said semiundocumented standards)

look it app = look it up

@DrLoser I don’t understand your way of thinking…

MS says undocumented features (“API hacks”) shouldn’t be used by apps and games and hence don’t need to be documented, but they 'll happily use them in their Excel. Can’t you see what’s going on? They want to pretend they are documenting their API, while in reality you need those undocumented features to really achieve compatibility with Windows apps. Otherwise WINE wouldn’t need to implement so much of Windows’s undocumented features (look it app) to achieve even that meager level of compatibility.

Anyway it doesn’t matter if MS wanted their Excel (and other software) to use the undocumented features. Truth is, the undocumented features need to be reimplemented by others in order to achieve compatibility with Windows apps, so the antitrust authorities should force MS to document them, so that competition can be helped to flourish. Just like MS should be forced to document asf.

I forgot…

[1] “Self-selected group”? Yeah, I am pretty sure there are some people buying phones by pure accidents or just receiving them randomly in their mail boxes with no conscious decisions involved.

Also, apparently, Apple still sells this thing called the “iPod Shuffle”, and it was reported to have 70% of the MP3 player market as per last year despite, obvious, it didn’t really have a “UI” to speak of.

I am beginning to get quite sick of RCSE’s asinine arguments and blatant misunderstanding of such things as “proof of the negative” and “self-select groups”[1], so here’s what’s I am going to give him as a taste of his own medicine:

I am pretty sure some of us here are familiar with the fact that Apple at one point partnered up with U2 to promote a special edition of iPod. My theorization is that Zune’s floundering in the market is not due to any presence or absence of UI or wah but simply MS does not use Bono as their spokesperson. If you follow to the tee RCSE’s thought process, it does make perfect sence.

iPod has Bono
———
∴Success

Zune does not have Bono
———
∴failure

See, that’s a bullet-proof argument right there!

We’ve covered this LS, users of WinPhone are a self selected group – those who don’t like Metro (the vast majority) are simply not buying it.

Those who have never heard of it will simply not buy it, either.

I can’t believe this is what you are using to prove your point without feeling ashamed of yourself.

my observation that Metro is a failure comes only after I looked at comparisons between iPhone4, Android and WinPhone in late summer of 2011, and later, seeing Metro on Windows.

And what does that prove exactly except that you have 1) no data to substantiate your claim of “failure” and 2) you have no idea as to how to make a convincing argument?

Well, point to these other factors then (FT already tried, over at LHB, and got his ass handed to him).

I have already cited complementary products (e.g. apps, accessories), brand awareness, market segmentation etc. as my counter-argument. The only I have got from you thus far, however, is nothing more than “everything is the same except the UI lol”. There is nothing from you or that other guy at LHB that can rule out these things as factors contributing to market shares (or lack thereof), especially given that none of them has anything to do with the UI itself.

Actually, any different thing will have a tough time breaking into any given market – unless it has clear benefits

So, what exactly would be the benefit of a Zune, with Metro UI or otherwise, over an iPod? It just seems to me as though you just hadn’t thought the matter through but nonetheless convinced that you had already understood it completely.

Again, that’s pathetic.

No – it’s strange how you misread my words – I am willing to give Metro over half a decade to prove itself as a GUI type/style on Windows – I should think I’m being generous here.

So what does that tell everyone exactly except that you don’t even have a metric to measure “failure”?

The fact it is a new and different solution that challenges existing concepts places the “burden of proof” on those who argue in favour of it (that would be you and FT) not on those who argue against it.

Nice try with “proof of the negative”, expect that it would apply only if you were claiming that the UI had no effect whatsoever on market shares, and that’s the exact opposite of what you are arguing for. This is not even to mention that claiming people are arguing in favor of the UI simply because you are arguing against it is in its very self a false dichotomy. As Linuxoid points out, you have no grasp in formal logic, and you don’t hasitate to demonstrate that even though in your mind you are somehow thoroughly convinced that you are exerting a kind of intellectual prowess that other people don’t have.

Pathetic.

FACT 5: ...Metro is THE cause of slower-than-anticipated market adoption. No other things could possibly matter.

Well, point to these other factors then (FT already tried, over at LHB, and got his ass handed to him).

FACT 6: Nevermind good reviews by both consumers and people who actually have a clue…

We’ve covered this LS, users of WinPhone are a self selected group – those who don’t like Metro (the vast majority) are simply not buying it.

And design awards are worth jack squat – I’ve seen a number of horrible buildings/projects/products/clothes/etc get praised by so called “design experts”. The fact that some piece of shit got a design award speaks volumes about those who give such awards and absolutely nothing (new) about the product itself.

FACT 4: You live in the future…

Well yes, 2012 is the future compared to late 2010 when WinPhone launched – my observation that Metro is a failure comes only after I looked at comparisons between iPhone4, Android and WinPhone in late summer of 2011, and later, seeing Metro on Windows.

At the beginning of 2011 I too thought that WinPhone will succeed (if slowly), but at time I really haven’t given any attention to any MS product that featured Metro; after I saw it compared to the competition, I was amazed how much better it (iPhone and clones) was, and, I was amazed that MS couldn’t copy it in all these years.

And while I can’t blame MS for not being able to create something better or at least equal to Apple’s offering, I most certainly can blame them for not copying the clearly superior solution – after all, they copied everything else, why not the GUI as well.

FACT 1: Metro will fail because it’s new

Actually, it’ll fail because it’s worse.

The fact it is a new and different solution that challenges existing concepts places the “burden of proof” on those who argue in favour of it (that would be you and FT) not on those who argue against it.

FACT 2: Everybody knows that new cannot succeed

Actually, any different thing will have a tough time breaking into any given market – unless it has clear benefits: GUIs won over CLIs, iPhone kicked existing smart phones out of the market… WinPhone, however, did more or less nothing.

FACT 3: You (by your own words) need at least 6 years…

No – it’s strange how you misread my words – I am willing to give Metro over half a decade to prove itself as a GUI type/style on Windows – I should think I’m being generous here.

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As of now none of non-Windows MS software uses any undocumented Windows API (and there are many of those ). Microsoft had to open all its communication protocols even those which are used only inside Windows (like bunch of DirectPlay protocols that are always abstracted by API or Remote registry) and even those which could only make sense for Microsoft itself: there is just not way third-party could make any use of telemetry or SQM without Microsoft’s telemetry infrastructure.

Microsoft removed software from Windows only to provide it as a free of charge download (Movie maker, Messenger and Mail to give some examples). Microsoft have (for most part) lost control over what OEMs may or may not do with Windows: do you like all the crapware? You should because it’s a clear sign that Microsoft didn’t bribe its way out of litigation.

Don’t be too harsh on Kurkos, at least he tries to provide evidence for his claims even if he misreads it.
In US you can pay layers to find loophole you can use to get out of litigation, you can pay politicians to push “right” legislation, but you cannot bribe yourself out of existing litigation. Especially high-profile one like US v. MS.
It’s funny that your evidence shows that BEFORE this antitrust case Microsoft’s non-Windows departments used undocumented API-s (pretty much the same way as most third-party developers) and Windows uses compatibility “hacks” (now it uses much more controlled and fine-grained “shims” rather than direct “hacks”) for high-profile applications (SimCity and MS Office are examples of such).

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Quoting Adam_King on May 19 2012 12:49:55 -0400

You will be purified. Your soul shall be cleansed of Mafia$oft’s parasites.

May I never be complete. May I never be content. May I never be perfect. Deliver me, Tyler, from being perfect and complete.

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Quoting Flying_Toaster on May 19 2012 12:45:44 -0400

Quoting Adam_King on May 19 2012 12:42:46 -0400 Mafia$oft’s evil reign of tyranny and oppression can not be tolerated any longer. I will PURIFY this world with the power of Free Software.

Who wants fruit tarts?

You will be purified. Your soul shall be cleansed of Mafia$oft’s parasites.

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Quoting Adam_King on May 19 2012 12:42:46 -0400

Mafia$oft’s evil reign of tyranny and oppression can not be tolerated any longer. I will PURIFY this world with the power of Free Software.

Who wants fruit tarts?

Mafia$oft’s evil reign of tyranny and oppression can not be tolerated any longer. I will PURIFY this world with the power of Free Software.

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Quoting DrLoser on May 19 2012 11:55:10 -0400

Does anybody out there have a single clue why downstream idiots continue to describe their “OS” as a “remix,” btw?

A “remix” of what, precisely? It’s not like the damn kernel isn’t about as monolithic as you can possibly get in the first place.

Why did Fedora call it’s latest abomination “Beefy Miracle”. Because they think it sounds cool. The Ubuntu kids think they are disco-dancing hip cats, though they’re about as hip to culture as as someone who (a) references hepcats and (b) mispronounces it as “hip cats”.

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Oh, and this isn’t even worthy of a FUD posting:

Kitzoid goes nuts over the latest Firefox.

Version 13 beta, as if you cared.

Does anybody out there have a single clue why downstream idiots continue to describe their “OS” as a “remix,” btw?

A “remix” of what, precisely? It’s not like the damn kernel isn’t about as monolithic as you can possibly get in the first place.

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Sigh.

OK, in previous “anti-trust” cases (and let’s not argue legal niceties) it was possible to split the company up. It was a workable solution for Standard Oil and Ma Bell. However, it wasn’t a workable solution for IBM, and by extension it wasn’t a workable solution for Microsoft. I’ll let Kurkos think about that before he comes up with his next theory.

FT is 100% correct concerning the idiot *nix theory.

Whether or not I am a “fanboy,” I prefer to argue on a case-by-case basis. (I do however have a point of view on the infamous “I can remove IE with a single click” judicial ignorance, but that one can wait.)

One case at a time, Kurkos, one case at a time. FT appears to be slavering at the mouth (and is probably better qualified than I) to demolish each case as you bring it up, but I’m happy to point out that you’re a know-nothing conspiracy theorist if I’m called upon to do so.

“Quoting kurkosdr on May 19 2012 6:56:30

Spliting up a company is the last resort. They could have simply forced MS to document their srandards and APIs (and ban the sale of MS products using said standards if MS didn’t fully comply). There was some relevant court decision that expired in 2009, but probably nothing happened. Remember, if AT&T wasn’t under undertrust regulation some decades back, we would never had MacOS X, Solaris and FreeBSD. Just vanilla Unix System Laboratories unix, so antitrust regulation is a good thing, because some companies deserve it.Now I ll sit back and whine as DrLoser defends MS (when discussing with DrLoser, you 've got to keep in mind he is an MS fanboy. A very intelligent and fun person in general, but still a fanboy)

Conspiracy Theory & Paranoia – gorgeous. Actually, kiddo, I’m a Stratus fanboi.

There was some relevant court decision that expired in 2009, but probably nothing happened.

“Probably?”

I love how this “Secret Sauce” conspiracy nonsense consistently features the following:

(a) it comes from somebody who has never even once programmed a commercial app in Windows
(b) it comes with no single link as evidence (Kurkos’ is not evidence)
(c) it generally refers to 2000 (when the NT kernel layer was being integrated with Win32) or even earlier.

Pathetic.

I dunno, I’ve worked on Windows and *nix systems 50-50 for the last ten years or more, and I can honestly say that I’ve never had a problem with Windows API documentation. The implementation of that API, sure. I hate this “call the function twice, once to work out the size of the buffer and then to use it” crap. My own personal theory is that they wimped out with ATL (which is a mess) and should have converted to C++/STL immediately.

Solaris, on the other hand, gave me endless headaches. It’s not unusual to have to write a small test suite to figrue out exactly what the low-level calls are doing. The result (on a server) was worth the effort, but still.

Of course, SimCity must also be an MS product that somehow takes advantage of undocumented features and not just a buggy app that requires workarounds.