Ubuntu Forums…the most secure place on earth!

Well, can’t put DatabaseError when the site is down, frownie face :(

They are volunteers who help people with their problems on Ubuntu and get no money for doing it.

IMO it’s admirable, and they are often quite experienced which is why they are chosen as staff.

I can say that of hundreds upon hundreds of other forums (even Windows-centric ones)

Hoppi, I’m an administrator on a ton of forums, and I’ll give you the #1 rule to becoming one:

Kiss ass but don’t be a yes man. That’s also how I became a Wikipedia mod. You don’t need intellect, you just need a pair of lips and closed eyes.

Hoppi, why are you wasting time evangelizing Linux? Your UF post about the TM Repository said you “loved” Linux, so why aren’t you contributing and FIXING the problems we’re complaining about?

What do you propose for a stable API/ABI to flourish?

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@admin … because this site annoys me! lol

I guess I just defend Linux/open source when it gets attacked, although I don’t actually care what OS people choose to use.

@Hoppi, so, like most of the Linux Youth, you evangelize something you contribute nothing to. You’re just a barnacle on the side of the boat, trying to gain credibility by association.

Rather than relying on Linux to give meaning to your life, learn to do something creative. Your website is a good example of the fact that not much is going on in your life; its nothing but links to various online profiles. Nowhere on there is anything you actually contribute!

@admin you assume that is my only website? or even that the sites I link to are my only websites? I haven’t maintained that site in ages and to be honest I feel a little creeped out that you found it!

But also aren’t I just allowed to use and like something, and defend it when someone attacks it? What’s so wrong with that? I do intend to contribute more (whether through code or more likely promotion within something else), but in due time when I have some other things taken care of.

I don’t see what how much I currently contribute to open source code has to do with the validity of my points or really anything at all.

But also aren’t I just allowed to use and like something, and defend it when someone attacks it? What’s so wrong with that? I do intend to contribute more (whether through code or more likely promotion within something else), but in due time when I have some other things taken care of.
I don’t see what how much I currently contribute to open source code has to do with the validity of my points or really anything at all.

Don’t you see the problem we are pointing at here? It’s you, my friend, and those who feel the need to cry about their hurt feelings even when other people just don’t want to have anything to do with your pet cause/OS. We are basically here with the sole purpose to share our cynicism towards the cult-like following of Linux, and, what’s more, most of us know all the talking-points you will use even before you start typing out the first word. Really, volunteers? Like the old saying goes, “If you are good at something, you never do it for free.” And UF shows exactly just this reality.

Yes, you are free to use and like anything, but don’t expect us to take your “promotion” with delight any time sooner. It’s simply insolent for you “volunteers” to think the rest of the world doesn’t know any better and has to listen to your anecdotes in order to make an informed decision. Honestly, how are you supposed to expect people to heed to your inane “open the source” kind of advices despite you yourself obviously know nothing about software development?

Just give up already, won’t you?

Obviously my knowledge of software development will never be as good as an actual developer or coder, but I dont see how that impairs my ability to appreciate and/or criticise the OS as a whole, as Im an experienced long-term user. Of Linux and of Windows.

I dont choose to fix the problems with Linux as Im largely very happy with it (although I do support Ubuntu’s move to the desktop as I like them and open source, so I may choose to contribute code one day) but also Im too busy right now with my own things. I intend to promote Ubuntu/KDE though online and do what I can in future. :)

“but I dont see how that impairs my ability to appreciate and/or criticise the OS as a whole”

No, it doesn’t, and it shouldn’t. The problem lies in the fact that you are advising people to fix Linux, as though everyone was supposed to agree with the view that open source was a workable idea.

Let me tell you something – plenty of us here don’t believe in open source at all. When we design a piece of software, we need what we call “documentations”. What these magical things do is that they allow us to understand what the software is supposed to do without throwing guesses at the code. The bigger the software project is, the more significant documentations become. However, when you look at these so-called “community driven” projects, you will realize most of the people behind them simply have no interest in producing proper documentations or even just draw up a diagram or two with a CASE tool, and, as you can guess, the quality of their software is nothing short of pathetic – incomprehensible data structures, convoluted function calls, features moving in and out for no apparent reasons, etc. Professional developers tend to value their time and sanity more than they do code, and this is why you don’t often see them getting themselves involved in this kind of stuff without pay.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/01/zed-shaw-puts-the-smack-down-on-the-rails-community/

http://linux.sys-con.com/node/38073

http://www.softpanorama.org/OSS/Bla_faq/raymondism.shtml

http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-says-stfu.html

Another problem with these “community driven” projects is that they are often unwilling to understand or appreciate expectations from their users or third-party developers. When they say “for developers by developers”, what they mean is actually “I just want the project to be a frigging mind dump”. They often just don’t care if the software works for anybody or if you have a better idea on something than they do. They just want the project to be owned by them and to answer to nobody except themselves. Of course, you are more than welcome to help clean out all the software rot that they have left behind, but the sooner you get involved, the sooner you will realize that most of these people are simply not interested in working on anything that they don’t see as glorious but are nonetheless important to the project as a whole. And of course, there are always people like you who insist that there is no problem and simply refuse to fix anything.

We normal people don’t really care if the source is open or not. We just want things to work and someone that can be held liable when they don’t. There is no reason to expect people to give you constructive criticism when they can’t even be sure you want to listen to anyone’s opinion at all. This is why many of us have decided to just give up caring altogether and attack zealots like you instead just for laughs.

Reality bites, kiddo.

@JoeMonco First thing though man, there are two terms here which I think result in FAR too much grouping and generalization, it kinda gets on my nerves.

The first is “Linux”. People think that all distributions are part of this huge OS “Linux” and if one does something wrong that’s the fault of “Linux”. This is a complete misunderstanding of the way things work, and the distributions are totally different operating systems that just happen to share the same components. I love Ubuntu, I don’t like Fedora, but they are both “Linux”... I am not defending the bugs and stuff in Fedora because I don’t like Fedora! lol

The second thing is “open source software”. People assume that just because you might like and support some, therefore you like and support ALL of it, which is just not the case. I love KDE, but I’m not the biggest fan of Gnome, for example. There are places where I think open source seems to work great, well organized and supported projects much have potential and will probably become huge. There are others which are badly organized/supported, and where commercial alternatives are probably better. But that is cool and I have no issues with that, if a commercial alternative provides a feature I need or I am dissatisfied with the open source version (which has never happened yet I don’t think, but in theory) then I will not hesitate to use it. Do you see my point?

I think that open source OPERATING SYSTEMS will be huge, as they are very central. I also think that open source core apps will be huge, such as messengers, browsers, music players, video players… I dunno, mail clients etc etc.

However, specialist apps… they will probably always be done better closed source… or at least for a long, long time.

See? ^_ Tis the logic of Hoppi! lol

And usually I am happy with the core projects (of my choice) – KDE, Kopete, Amarok, Kmail, Chrome… all that jazz. They are awesome and I thoroughly support them, but you’ve got to take the good with the bad. “Open Source” is not a company name that covers all os software and brands it, and “Linux” isn’t a comprehensive company term for all the distros. You need to pick and choose :)

“The first is “Linux”. People think that all distributions are part of this huge OS “Linux” and if one does something wrong that’s the fault of “Linux”...”

Maybe that’s because I was actually referring to Linux distributions in general rather than any particular one of them, smartypants?

“The second thing is “open source software”. People assume that just because you might like and support some, therefore you like and support ALL of it”

Again, I was simply referring to ALL open source projects. Do you even know how to read? “lol”?

“I think that open source OPERATING SYSTEMS will be huge, as they are very central.”

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3372

We old farts have seen the Linux hype longer than you have ever existed. Back in the 90’s, when Fedora was still called “Red Hat Linux”, we were promised the exact same kind of rainbows that you hear nowadays. Guess what – Y2K came and went, and we are still watching as Linux limp around at the 1% barrier on the desktop. For Pete’s sake – even the script kiddies of the ye olde good times are now pushing their thirties. Do you really expect us to believe Linux will inexplicably become “huge”? Have fun foaming about your YearOfLinuxDesktop™ prophecy, because that’s exactly one of the few things that you won’t see me doing.

“I also think that open source core apps will be huge, such as messengers, browsers, music players, video players…”

http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/good-software-isnt-really-free.html

What a waste of words trying to explain why code alone doesn’t make the cut for a proper software project. Yes, there are well-organised open-source projects but that’s basically because they are mainly supported by developers working under corporate payrolls. If you go and replace these contributors with unpaid volunteers, I can guarantee all these projects will fall flat on the face within a few months.

““Open Source” is not a company name that covers all os software and brands it, and “Linux” isn’t a comprehensive company term for all the distros.”

http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/07/fallacy-of-choice.html

Do you honestly believe people don’t know that at all? Do you really think that people like myself haven’t tried Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva, Debian, Ubuntu… and whatever crap that got bundled with those distros? “Pick and choose”, huh? What makes you think I want to pick and choose from these kind-of-work choices all because I have been given an empty promise that they will one day become “huge”? Are you really THAT deluded?

lol I dunno man I just use what I like coz I like it.

And I don’t have this Linux on the desktop dream because it’s been forced into my head, I have it because I have seen the current OS scene, and it’s the conclusion I have come to.

Time will tell :)

I have it because I have seen the current OS scene, and it’s the conclusion I have come to.

Yep, sure the entire world will just stop for five or six years without making any progress so Linux will eventually have a chance to slowly crawl past it.

Just quit being such a dope already. Find a girlfriend, get a degree, save the world… whatever! Sheeze…

Yeah man, how DARE I have my own opinion! I am shocked too! Who needs free thought and speech? hehe :)

“Who needs free thought and speech?”

Of you have the freedom to be a complete clown and have your head stuck in a toilet bowl every other day. We all have choices, you know.

I’m sorry that we disagree. Such is life my man :)

@Hoppi (DEC 14, 2009 6:39 AM)

“Yeah man, how DARE I have my own opinion! I am shocked too! Who needs free thought and speech? hehe :)”

Hoppi, it’s not “free thought” if it doesn’t involve “thought.” Outside your isolated little world, your opinions are worthless unless backed up with a decent argument. Likewise, free speech is a human right (in decent countries). It is not an excuse to spout drivel, although ipso facto spouting drivel is therefore not a criminal offence.

“I haven’t maintained that site in ages and to be honest I feel a little creeped out that you found it!”

It’s called Google, dimwit.

“Obviously my knowledge of software development will never be as good as an actual developer or coder, but I dont see how that impairs my ability to appreciate and/or criticise the OS as a whole, as Im an experienced long-term user. Of Linux and of Windows.”

Then leave the theory and practice of software development to those of us who are actual software developers.

As for your other point, I have yet to see any evidence in your voluminous posts that you are capable of appreciating and/or criticising “the OS as a whole.” Or even “in part.”

All you seem to do is bleat.

Tell me, of the four or five Ubuntu apps you use daily, which one would you say is arguably better than the Windows XP equivalent? And why?

And what the hell would that have to to with an Operating System, anyhow?

I repeat, Mr Vass: Dimwit.

Oh, they are arguing against me, they must be telling me that I shouldn’t have freedom of speech!

Oh look, for god’s sake I don’t care THIS much.

Ok @Frak He did seem quite shocked that we disagreed and resorted to the “get a life” argument in spite of actually having little or no idea about my life aside from the fact I post on here a fair bit at the moment.

@DrLoser To be honest I’ve given up and accepted that we will all never agree. Therefore I settled for the “well we all have our views, we will have to agree to disagree” standpoint. As for software I don’t know really I don’t just use Linux for software I use it for the OS/GUI. If I have to say superior Linux software I would say that I prefer Amarok, Kmail, Kopete, the smaller tools such as Klipper, Dolphin, SMPlayer, erm, many of the rest I guess are available for both like Pidgin, Chrome, Firefox, Nicotine, Filezilla etc.

I would also still like to say that I never said open source programs were just better than closed source, particularly not the ones for more specialized purposes such as image editing/3D rendering/music creation etc etc. I have nothing against companies releasing closed source applications, but I prefer open source OSs and open source core apps.

Good for you, now GTFO.

“Oh look, for god’s sake I don’t care THIS much”

But you care enough to “defend Linux/open source when it gets attacked”, though without much success.

“He did seem quite shocked that we disagreed and resorted to the “get a life” argument in spite of actually having little or no idea about my life aside from the fact I post on here a fair bit at the moment.”

It’s not as much a disagreement as an unpleasant of someone repeating the same words “It will be huge” without providing anything to support his claim. (Like I said in another website, “Explaining your point is so 1980’s”.)

“To be honest I’ve given up and accepted that we will all never agree. Therefore I settled for the “well we all have our views, we will have to agree to disagree” standpoint. As for software I don’t know really I don’t just use Linux for software I use it for the OS/GUI. If I have to say superior Linux software I would say that I prefer Amarok, Kmail, Kopete, the smaller tools such as Klipper, Dolphin, SMPlayer, erm, many of the rest I guess are available for both like Pidgin, Chrome, Firefox, Nicotine, Filezilla etc.”

This guy seems to follow George W. Bush’s mantra of “I am the master of low expectations” and just assume people are willing accept a view despite he has absolutely nothing factual to support it. Look, kids! Next time if someone is accusing you of spewing nonsense, just downplay the accusation and claim that it’s the other party who fails to agree. And remember to use the word “I” a lot, just to show that you are merely describing a personal preference and not attempting to pass it on as a non-subjective opinion.

“I would also still like to say that I never said open source programs were just better than closed source…”

That’s complete and utter nonsense:

ON DEC 11, 2009 9:14 PM, “SJVN Explains Why the LHC Broke”

“Anyway, even if it is cost, that’s still an area where open source has the upper hand.”

My patience is wearing thin and this Hoppi follow is still thinking that he can get away with anything.

Not anymore, I guess. Not anymore.

It’s my preference, we don’t agree, that’s cool. The thing to do now is to just get on with our lives.

“It’s my preference, we don’t agree, that’s cool. The thing to do now is to just get on with our lives.”

Get on with our lives, eh?

ON DEC 14, 2009 8:29 PM:

“He did seem quite shocked that we disagreed and resorted to the “get a life” argument”

I am actually quite surprised how things have changed for you three comments from now. Are you suffering from some form of multiple personality disorder, or are you just working on being the most quotable person on earth?

I don’t understand… it was you who insinuated that I don’t have a life, I have been trying to let bygones be bygones for about half a page now.

“I don’t understand… it was you who insinuated that I don’t have a life, I have been trying to let bygones be bygones for about half a page now.”

You are really operating under the assumption that no one else is visiting this website, aren’t you?

Let us have a recap, shall we?

1) You came here with the goal to, in your own words, “defend Linux/open source”, despite that no one had asked you to and that this website had clearly been erected in opposition to Linux apologists. In other words, when you decided to voice your opinion here, you had already determined to generate disagreements regardless of what other people have to say. Any accusation of other people being in disagreement with you would simply be an insult to humankind’s collective intellect.

2) You claimed the advantages of open source despite you also admitted your total lack of knowledge in software development. This simply put you in the position of a moron who claimed brilliance of a certain mix of concrete for laying foundations despite having not the slightest idea as to how to build a house.

3) You lied about yourself not claiming open source being superior than closed source, and I caught you red-handed on that.

4) You attempted to use “get on with our lives” as an excuse to deflect all the accusations of intellectual dishonesty thrown at you despite the obvious fact that you were still here commenting away.

Really, how long do you want to play dumb here and continue to give your OS/social movement as well as your fellows a bad name until you realize people have seen through you poorly contrived excuses long before your second ever comment here. Many of us have seen the tech hypes and vibes longer than you have ever been alive, and if you think you can outsmart us by any chance, then think again.

falls asleep

Hoppi lost.

@Hoppi, reading is hard. Perhaps you should go update HoppiMike.com since you never do…except in 2009!

why do you guys seem to have an inherent NEED to compete? Why can’t you let something go?

I do not feel I “lost” at all, to be honest I got bored quite some time ago and have basically just been trying to bring it to a close or sometimes argue smaller, briefer points. I am confident enough in my point of view not to worry if somebody else doesn’t share it. I just don’t tend to like to hear what I like bashed that’s all – I don’t think many people do!

Lastly that site I DO NOT MAINTAIN because I have other projects. Please let it go.

“why do you guys seem to have an inherent NEED to compete? Why can’t you let something go?”

And why did you seem to have the inherent need to post comments here in the first place? No one pointed a gun at you and asked you to “defend Linux/open source” (i.e. to confront this website in general) in the first place. It was you who created the situation for yourself, and now you are blaming us for making you tired of playing your game? What kind of excuse is that?

Fair enough, and I’m not posting on here as much as I did, it was more a reaction than anything else and I have pretty much stopped now.

Oh incidentally sorry, I only just properly read that section where you supposedly “caught me red handed” – I just wanted to clear up that in that quote I didnt say that open source being free meant it was “better” as that would be ridiculous – cost is only one of many factors you could use to measure the advantages and disadvantages of a piece of software. All I said is that of course open source, being free, nearly always has that particular factor in the bag, which isnt a huge deal but is certainly something in its favour :)

“... I just wanted to clear up that in that quote I didnt say that open source being free meant it was “better” as that would be ridiculous – cost is only one of many factors you could use to measure the advantages and disadvantages of a piece of software…”

Let’s wind the clock back a bit, shall we?

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POSTED BY ADMINISTRATOR ON DEC 9, 2009 9:37 PM

In a monolithic kernel that’s precisely the same thing. When the wifi drivers IN THE KERNEL can’t keep my wifi connection open, should we really be trusting them with a device that can create miniature black holes

POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 9, 2009 10:24 PM

Well, you’d better give them a superior alternative then quick, because they seem to think it’s the best choice in the world! xD

POSTED BY JOEMONCO ON DEC 10, 2009 9:20 AM

“Well, you’d better give them a superior alternative then quick, because they seem to think it’s the best choice in the world! xD”

The best in regards to what? Uptime? Scalability? My money is on “cost”, though, given how cheap Linux devs/admins tend to be.

POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 11, 2009 9:14 PM

@JoeMonco lol yes because that’s where their money is going… the operating system. :)

Anyway, even if it is cost, that’s still an area where open source has the upper hand.

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I am quite sure you have got some way to explain what you mean by all that, and I’ll let the rest of the people here be the judge.

Anyway, here’s a recap of your not “as much” comments from around 40 hours ago (<2 days):

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POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 15, 2009 11:14 AM

I love how over the top it looks, as what many people describe as a “freetard” (which I think has to be the most ridiculous term ever xD ) I am kinda lapping it up hehe

POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 15, 2009 11:19 AM

Yeah the kinda low, brooding music for Microsoft is a bit ridiculous lol
I have nothing AGAINST proprietary or closed source, I just like open source that’s all and what it means :)

POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 15, 2009 11:09 PM

lol! Open Source is hardly fanatical!
Let’s just wait and see :)

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Maybe those are just a bit too old to bring onto the table. Let’s look at the more recent stuff:

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POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 16, 2009 10:48 AM

It’s my preference, we don’t agree, that’s cool. The thing to do now is to just get on with our lives.

POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 16, 2009 11:35 AM

I don’t understand… it was you who insinuated that I don’t have a life, I have been trying to let bygones be bygones for about half a page now.

POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 16, 2009 2:55 PM

falls asleep

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Prolific as ever, my dear hoppi-scoppi?

You say you have got “other projects” (perhaps involving advising people on some software development techniques), but you still come back here every day to post comments. Maybe you just want to demonstrate your ability to use some equivocation or other fallacy tricks such as, for example, attempting to liken a web page made “years ago” to a web page made a few months ago (and what an eye-sore it was). Why don’t you just follow your own advice and, you know, “let something” like this web site “go”? I am sure you will do both Ubuntu and humankind in general a… ahem good favor if you go and join their PR team.

I intended to let this site go as soon as people stopped trying to win one over me and just let it rest also, for as long as you kept stirring I kept retaliating.

I know I post often but only because Im working on my site and also go online regularly on my phone when Im bored (like now). :)

We will never agree though, and I’m quite content with that – you can go on using ur choice of OS and having your views, and Ill use mine, and have mine :) Free country ^_

Hoppi:

You do realise that we’re going to troll your “new” site unmercifully, don’t you?

We may even use the same quality arguments that you’ve displayed here.

I’m even prepared to wait until it comes up in 2011. I’ve got the hat-pin ready and the frontal lobes prepared.

Any last words for JoeMonco?

@Hoppi:

“To be honest I’ve given up and accepted that we will all never agree. Therefore I settled for the “well we all have our views, we will have to agree to disagree” standpoint. As for software I don’t know really I don’t just use Linux for software I use it for the OS/GUI. If I have to say superior Linux software I would say that I prefer Amarok, Kmail, Kopete, the smaller tools such as Klipper, Dolphin, SMPlayer, erm, many of the rest I guess are available for both like Pidgin, Chrome, Firefox, Nicotine, Filezilla etc.
I would also still like to say that I never said open source programs were just better than closed source, particularly not the ones for more specialized purposes such as image editing/3D rendering/music creation etc etc. I have nothing against companies releasing closed source applications, but I prefer open source OSs and open source core apps.”

Not what I asked. I’ll scale it down. Pick one of those pieces of shoot, or indeed any other Linux “app,” and give me a single reason why it beats the Windows (or Mac, or whatever) equivalent.

Just one.

OK, I’m tired of feeding you petards. Puss off.

I don’t think we’ve done this so far, but it’s only fair to post references.

We can all follow Mike Vass, from Orpington in Kent, on the following link:

http://www.hoppimike.com/

Apparently, Mike is currently feeling “not 2 bad!” Which is great for a twelve year old. Unfortunately, he’s twenty four.

You’ll be pleased to know that Mike thinks the World is feeling “sad.”

Well, get up off your stupid hippy arse, Mike, and do something about it. I’d recommend VSO, but I’m not sure their standards are low enough to admit you.

“... for as long as you kept stirring I kept retaliating.”

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POSTED BY HOPPI ON DEC 10, 2009 8:01 PM

@admin … because this site annoys me! lol

I guess I just defend Linux/open source when it gets attacked, although I don’t actually care what OS people choose to use.

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I know you are probably not the brightest blub in the chandelier, but somehow you just need to realized that no one has ever forced you to “retaliate”. You were the one who started this whole drama, and you insisted on continuing it further even though at every turn you had the choice to just go and mind your own business instead. Honestly, what do you expect to get out of all that you have done? A bunch of flowers and a hug?

It’s time to wise up, mickey-boy. It’s time to wise up.

Canada was making fun of the US within their own borders, so we launched an invasion into Canada to shut them up, for we are great!

This is becoming ridiculous, and when the only grounds you can find for tipping things in your favour again JoeMonco are taking my original words (about retaliating) completely out of context and applying them to something at a significantly earlier point, there has to be some kind of problem. I was talking about the LATTER PART of this thread, not the beginning. You just cant admit you’re still stirring and let it go.

@DrLoser Right well at least this is finally a post of some substance to reply to, not just what feels like a game of tennis with groundless insults!

Oh one thing though – those orange boxes at the top of the site are not written by me, they are updated live (or close to it) from Emotionr.com, which is a site I used to post on regularly.

Ok the apps. I know this will only kick off more arguments as you guys seem unable to just ACCEPT something (even just a brief subjective opinion), but here we go. First off, the first lot all benefit from using the Qt4 toolkit, meaning they have attractive visual effects and flexible interfaces with things like draggable panels and overall customizability, this kind of thing makes a difference to me when I use an app.

As well as that, Amarok presents a wonderfully cohesive, attractive, powerful, logical & quite friendly player. Its a little buggy but still a joy to use.

Kmail I have found to function better than Thunderbird, & again like Dolphin has a gorgeous interface.

Damn, third comment – this phone has quite a strict character limit!

Ok erm, the apps – SMPlayer is a superlative Qt4 interface to what is arguably the best media player backend in the world.

Filezilla is just comprehensive and powerful, Pidgin is lightweight (compared to stuff like Digsby), generously multi-protocol and regularly maintained, Kopete is probably the best looking multi-protocol messenger Ive ever used.

I dunno what do you want me to say? This is what I think and why I use them.

Hoppi

I see Hoppi has finally got around to answering a direct question (“Pick one of those pieces of shoot, or indeed any other Linux “app,” and give me a single reason why it beats the Windows (or Mac, or whatever) equivalent”).

Well, sort of. He prefers KMail to Thunderbird, because “I have found [it] to function better.”

Props for making a comparison, even though I can’t find Thunderbird anywhere on this here Windows machine.

Props for such an eloquent and convincing “single reason.”

So many words; so little ability to reason.

“This is becoming ridiculous, and when the only grounds you can find for tipping things in your favour again JoeMonco are taking my original words (about retaliating) completely out of context and applying them to something at a significantly earlier point, there has to be some kind of problem. I was talking about the LATTER PART of this thread, not the beginning. You just cant admit you’re still stirring and let it go.”

No one is taking anything out of context. Your presence is at best tolerated and you are by no means ignorant of this particular part of the reality. The comment I have cited is the 8th for this particular FUD Tracker entry and a response to this other comment:

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POSTED BY ADMINISTRATOR ON DEC 10, 2009 2:37 AM

Hoppi, why are you wasting time evangelizing Linux? Your UF post about the TM Repository said you “loved” Linux, so why aren’t you contributing and FIXING the problems we’re complaining about?

What do you propose for a stable API/ABI to flourish?

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Damn, do you honestly think readers here don’t know how to scroll up and find out whether I am taking things out of context or not? You were the one stirring the pot in the first place. You were the one who decided to cross the border to fight the Canadians because they were making fun of you in their own backyards. I don’t know what ghost of George W’s past has compelled you to make such a move, but before you tell me to “let it go” again, may I kindly point out the facts that the exchange we are having here is a continuation of the earlier comments in question and I have got the entirety of the page to prove I am right? Really, how long do you want to keep up with those lame excuses and pretend you are the victim here? Just let this place go, Mikey.

@DrLoser Well thing is there isn’t just one reason why I choose to run Linux primarily, and I’m aware that most of my reasons are subjective. But I’m afraid I can’t help that, at the end of the day we just pick things to satisfy our own needs and views and this is my choice.

“Well thing is there isn’t just one reason why I choose to run Linux primarily, and I’m aware that most of my reasons are subjective. But I’m afraid I can’t help that, at the end of the day we just pick things to satisfy our own needs and views and this is my choiceWell thing is there isn’t just one reason why I choose to run Linux primarily, and I’m aware that most of my reasons are subjective. But I’m afraid I can’t help that, at the end of the day we just pick things to satisfy our own needs and views and this is my choice”

Well, there are plenty of other places to fluff about your life choices, and, you know, we aren’t exactly your AA support group.

Oh, also for the record I would find it very difficult doing this with the Windows DE :) – http://i45.tinypic.com/16270cy.jpg

“Oh, also for the record I would find it very difficult doing this with the Windows DE”

fall asleep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8yxmTyqCsg

yes it’s not QUITE Compiz is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWLA5Fw5gAY

“yes it’s not QUITE Compiz is it?”

Of course not:

1) It utilizes the standard-fair DirectX API rather than has you counting on the Nvidia driver and some secret amount of MagicPixieDust™.

http://www.howtoforge.com/compiz-fusion-ubuntu-8.04-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200

2) It doesn’t send your desktop crashing for no obvious reasons.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=205662

3) It doesn’t claim credits for some desktop features Microsoft developed back in 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U

Really, I thought you were all busy with your “projects”, but why are you still posting here, and why do you care so much about anonymous individuals “trying to win one over” you over the frigging Internet?

haha this is ridiculous, this is like redefining “scraping the barrel” xD

I don’t have Compiz crash and Kwin is still amazing.

Why can’t you just admit when something is good, instead of grasping at straws?

I can admit that Aero looks GORGEOUS, I love the glass effects and smooth animations :) But I also think it always at least feels quite demanding on hardware and I tend to have to switch it off ._.

I think you need to give more acknowledgement when something is actually good – I always give kudos to Win or Mac when they do something right or something well :)

The open source, plugin-based model just allows for very powerful, hardware-efficient and flexible desktop effects. That’s reality I’m afraid. Sorry :(

Hoppi: Shame you can’t say the same thing about the plug-in architecture for the X stack, the Audio Stack (now Pulse By Dictum, if you use Ubuntu), or indeed any plug-in option for the kernel. Did you know that the kernel doesn’t have room for user-space drivers? Hoppi is feeling sad. The world? ^_

Can you say “stable ABI?”

Go on, follow your tendency and “switch the glass effects and smooth animations off :)”

“Because it feels quite demanding on hardware and I tend to have to switch it off ._.”

It’s not like wife abuse, you know. It’s not even like burning the thyrax off an ant in the playground with a magnifying glass. We’ve all been there, and we will answer to God for it.

You are permitted to demand hardware to, y’know, do what hardware is supposed to do.

If your eyes get too glassy, I suggest you put the ditch-weed reefer down and stop huffing the cleaning fluids.

I wasnt really talking about the kernel or X though, I was talking about Compiz and Kwin.

As for upgrading, thing is I would but I have no real reason to. Its nice to be able to squeeze more out of your older hardware and linux does tend to give you that potential, even when running desktops considered quite heavy such as KDE 4 with Kwin, you still dont get quite the same push to upgrade that can be felt from Windows OSs

“I wasnt really talking about the kernel or X though, I was talking about Compiz and Kwin.”

That’s hilarious. The X window system and the kernel are what ultimately your Compiz and Kwin depend upon. When those you call “bottom of the barrel” people run into a problem, guess what they will have to look into! In fact, I am more than happy to even go out on a limp and say that you are one of the few exceptions that have no problems at all with Compiz. Do you know what “hardware-dependent X” is? Do you understand how DRI works? Do you even know whether the official Nvidia driver is part of the Linux kernel? No, obviously, you just install everything, run it and then assume that everyone is getting the smooth-sailing experience you have. You are a joke and that’s why your opinions are worth nothing.

Get over yourself and get lost already.

Correction:

“Hardware-” > “Device“

@JoeMonco This is ridiculous, I’ve been using Linux for years and computers for most of my life, I have compiled my own kernels and… ugh I’m actually feeling a bit insulted :(

When someone resorts to just blind, groundless insults, you know something must be wrong.

For the record I don’t even use Compiz anymore I use Kwin, it runs perfectly.

I have run Linux on many, many different computers and hardware, with varying success, but then it doesn’t have the hardware support Windows does. And I live with the little bugs and niggles which feel minute to me compared to the issues I’ve had personally on Windows, as I believe open source is the future :)

But again, we may have to just agree to disagree. :)

“JoeMonco This is ridiculous, I’ve been using Linux for years and computers for most of my life, I have compiled my own kernels and… ugh I’m actually feeling a bit insulted”

Oh, so our thick-skinned Hoppi is now feeling insulted, huh? So sad! The world! :(

After all, Hoppi might have felt a bit stressed exerting the herculean efforts of checking a few boxes and typing in “make, make install” and such into a console. It’s not like he had to know how things really worked, but still…

You’re an idiot.

And I’m sorry about the fact my site still says the world is feeling sad, but that is according to Emotionr.com, it gets it from there I don’t touch it.

“And I’m sorry about the fact my site still says the world is feeling sad, but that is according to Emotionr.com, it gets it from there I don’t touch it.”

No, obviously, someone pointed a gun at you some time in 2009 and you had no choice but to put those widgets in your website. I totally feel sorry for you.

http://www.emotionr.com/user/hoppimike/

“I feel properly awful :( I cant live the life I want to lead, I cant live the life I should be leading, I cant live the life I resorted to leading. I cant live any kind of life I just want to curl away and disappear. Im tired of people always bugging me, Im tired of people being so dumb, im tired of being patronized, im just tired and sick of all of it :’( and im tired of being hurt :’( I just want something to work, I just feel like im about to crack I cant TAKE it anymore :’( i feel trapped and scared and overwhelmed and rejected and bullied. and i dont want to die, i want to live but I feel like the world doesnt want me to :( Im sorry, I really am :( its just my website plans arent looking great, I dont have a girlfriend to cuddle me and tell me everything’s ok, they’re all off with other guys, I just feel trapped and scared. The world can be so wonderful, but right now I may as well be in a cage.”

- Mike Vass, aged 13

Oh for Christ’s sake Joe let something GO. Those widgets are just a bit of fun, they made me smile as I’d never seen anything like them before so I added them.

And that post come off it man, everyone’s had highs and lows in life and believe me if you wanted you could find far more examples of me being over the moon with happiness or completely down in the dumps. You know nothing about me really so stop stirring and acting like a heartless, closed-minded idiot.

No offence. lol

“You know nothing about me really so stop stirring and acting like a heartless, closed-minded idiot.”

Well, no one has ever asked you to come here to “defend Linux/open source”, Mr. Vass. No one has ever asked you to plaster your face all over the Internet or be completely, intellectually dishonest with what you say or do, either. We all make bad choices, but this time it is your turn to shine.

If I were you, I would simply cut my losses and leave this place alone for good. What do you think, huh?

lol thats ridiculous because it implies that I think Ive lost! I dont think Ive lost, but then to be honest I dont really think Ive won either, I think we just disagree. And we will probably never convince one another so why not just leave things in the past and accept we have different views?

I also think the three claims you made about me just now are either untrue or make no real difference. I came here to defend linux yes but then got bored anyway, I have put myself on the net a fair bit I know but then its a big internet, theres plenty of space for everyone to express themselves if they wish. And I was never dishonest. Subjective yes, picking favourites yes, but not dishonest.

I dont care if you agree with me, but it makes me uncomfortable that you seem to think the only outcome is to attempt to pound me into the ground. There is more to life than operating systems, and I am confident than I am a bigger man than having to win one over you on some random internet site.

As it stands I feel like you are being excessively aggressive and rather immature, and you need to learn to let things go. I am not going to post on this topic anymore now, as to be honest I am pretty sick of it. If you want to take that as you’ve “won” then be my guest, but the reality is that sometimes people just disagree, and things are too subjective or complex to reach a definite conclusion. I am ducking out now, but I hope you have a good new year :)

“lol thats ridiculous because it implies that I think Ive lost! I dont think Ive lost, but then to be honest I dont really think Ive won either, I think we just disagree. And we will probably never convince one another so why not just leave things in the past and accept we have different views?”

There is nothing we “disagree” on. Rather, you have proven at each and every instance that you lack the sufficient knowledge to support or validate your opinions and are overall evasive when faced with accusations of dishonesty. You are nothing more than a cretinous social misfit with some disturbingly thick skin, and your pathetic spiels of spinning conjectures into personal opinions are simply an insult to anyone who has to put up with them.

“I also think the three claims you made about me just now are either untrue or make no real difference. I came here to defend linux yes but then got bored anyway, I have put myself on the net a fair bit I know but then its a big internet, theres plenty of space for everyone to express themselves if they wish. And I was never dishonest. Subjective yes, picking favourites yes, but not dishonest.”

Till now you are still insisting on operating under the assumption that you and I are the only individuals here reading and posting under this FUD entry. Honestly, do you really see the humankind as some carbon copies of you with the kind of dishonesty to say something in front of everyone and deny it all afterwards? Don’t you realize anyone here can simply scroll up the page and find out whether or not you are indeed a liar? You really think people here are stupid enough to buy into your nonsense, don’t you?

“I dont care if you agree with me, but it makes me uncomfortable that you seem to think the only outcome is to attempt to pound me into the ground. There is more to life than operating systems, and I am confident than I am a bigger man than having to win one over you on some random internet site.”

So you are still thinking that you can come here to be a Linux apologist without being “pounded to the ground”, huh? Seriously, did you even take your sweet time to read the first page of this website?

“As it stands I feel like you are being excessively aggressive and rather immature, and you need to learn to let things go.”

The basic rules regarding maturity is to know where the line is drawn and to bear responsibility for one’s own decisions. I think the fact we can all agree on is that you simply have no business being here or making conjectures on what you don’t at all understand. Next time, when you accuse anyone of being immature, please look into mirror and ask yourself how mature you were in the first place. We aren’t your parents and we are by no means obliged to extend any kind of generosity or hospitality towards you or to put up with any sort of nonsense that you are trying to pull off here. Playing the victim simply won’t change the reality that you are ultimately responsible for your antics and the resultant hostility towards you. Again, we all make choices and you can’t blame anyone for reaping what you have sown.