Torrents, with ads… Sounds like TiVo to me. Just skipping the fscking ad and I’m done.

The only thing that left me thinking is why the piracy is raising on first world countries…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2p5svFJ9cQ Because we got first world problems.

@MasterLoki:

First World country?

You’ve never visited here, have you?

I agree with this comment:

“Steam may be DRM, but they’re incredibly smart in that they’ve made getting and playing content easier than BitTorrent and cracking. Time and time again, people have pointed out that this is the only way to compete with copyright violation, and the success of Steam is proof in the pudding.”

I suppose Netflix might be the Steam of movies, except that you have to wait a few months before a new blockbuster arrives there.

I wonder if we’ll ever see direct-to-Netflix movies.

We don’t need a “solution” to movie piracy because there is no problem. As long as studios continue to make up the cost of the movie and some profit from the cinema and TV run, and the CEOs of said studios go around in private jets, there is no problem. There is no reason to protect DVD/Bluray sales, because they are not necessary for movie production to continue. And no, i don’t care about the profits of rich Hollywood studios, and i won’t waste my hard earned cash by renting or buying instead of pirating, so that some Hollywood exec can afford a platinum plated private let.

Oh, and no matter how many times you say that copyright infrigment is theft, it won’t become the truth. Not even the US legal system equates copyright infrigment with physical theft (terms like “piracy” and “intellectual theft” don“t have any legal meaning). I wouldn’t physically steal from a Hollywood studio, but copyright infrigment, yes.

Seriously, i never thought i would meet a person in my entire life that advocates for the Hollywood execs and isn’t a Hollywood exec himself. Who knows? I may also meet a person who doesn’t read MPAA’s website as parody.

P.S. Of course, as i said in binplay, games and software are different. Selling copies is the only way to make up the costs, so i try not to pirate there.

Sigh… Pirates will ALWAYS try to come up with some reason for not paying for something. No matter how Illegal/immoral/wrong it is, they will give excuse after excuse. I hate to break it to you, but no one ever said that you had to be able to afford something, or should have unfettered access.

@DigitalAtheist

But i can have unfettered access to it anyway, either i can afford it or not, and without physically hurting anyone or stealing, and that’s awesome. So, stop fighting something that’s awesome.

And stop being a holier that thou douche. Copyright infrigment of movies is not “immoral” by society’s standards, no not even in the US (games maybe, but not movies), it’s “immoral” only by Hollywood’s standards for which i don’t care.

If you really like movies (i.e. they are valuable to you) but you can get them for free… why work?

And if you don’t need to work, who will?

If everything was available for free and everyone acted like this our society would stop.

Nothing would be produced so food (etc.) reserves would run out and most would die.

An overly grim, but possible, scenario (not that we will allow it to come to pass).

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Why don’t you just say you can’t afford said movies and argue from that point onward?

@DRLOSER, Is it that obvious?

@reversecontrollerse

I can afford said movies, i just prefer to spend my cash elsewhere.

Also, i go to the cinema quite often, and you need to work to be able to do that (among other things), which i do sometimes during the summer when i don’t have the university, so here is my contribution to society.

Perhaps if you tried to take a summer job too, you would have a different stance against spending on DVD/Bluray rentals, which quite frankly is money flushed down the toilet. (the “poor Hollywood studios/Hollywood execs are getting ripped off” excuse is a poor excuse)

“But but I DO contribute”... right. I’ve known quite a few people wh went to various colleges and universities. Summer job? Try working full time while doing the school thing.

You can try to wiggle out of it as much as you like, but if you are pirating stuff you are pirating… and don’t bother with that “sticking it to the rich movie makers” garbage either.

KurkosDR, Jul 10, 2011 1:39 PM:

You have just stepped beyond the limits of the unwritten law. I am now going to give myself total freedom to be very, very, rude to you.

But i can have unfettered access to it anyway, either i can afford it or not,

Buy a farkin keyboard with a caps key on it, won’t you?

and without physically hurting anyone or stealing,

Telling lies about somebody is also illegal — indeed, criminal. (Libel or slander: your choice.)

Arguably, using inside information (see most dot-com bubbles) is not actually stealing. It’s still a criminal offence.

You want morals? You farkin want morals?

Making a little child cry for no reason is not stealing, and it ain’t “physically” hurting them.

What sort of a pathetic nonsensical useless little self-justifying thieving argument are you trying to construct for yourself, here, you worthless little prat?

and that’s awesome.

Worthy of awe? In what particular way?

So, stop fighting something that’s awesome.

Oh, that just takes the cake. I (presumed: others) have no interest in what you consider “awesome.” I (others) are not even “fighting” it.

We’re just explaining to you that you are a silly little ignorant immoral thief.

And stop being a holier that thou douche. Copyright infri[n]g[e]ment of movies is not “immoral” by society’s standards, no not even in the US (games maybe, but not movies), it’s “immoral” only by Hollywood’s standards for which i don’t care.

Strangely enough, it is immoral by “society’s” standards, in the whole of the Western world. It’s also “immoral” by my standards.

It’s pure farkin thievery.

You are a thief.

You are immoral.

You are, and I’d like to let you down slowly on this one, but you are a cnut.

Get over it. That’s what you are. Don’t bother constructing excuses, because they have been and will always be nonsensical.

Can we please bring back the revered Adam King and his cute little picture of a Downs Syndrome kid winning a race?

I’ve run out of sodding mouthwash with this Kurkos idiot.

MasterLoki@Jul 10, 2011 2:38:00

Is it that obvious?

Well, I didn’t hear any hysteria about Margaret Thatcher or Tony Blair or Pepso-Middleton or even the Duke of Wellington.

(The Duke of Wellington is a much-maligned figure, btw. Unlike William Shakespeare — and I talk as a child of Warwickshire here — who was a monumental tower of p1ss.)

Yes, it is that obvious.

Let me know if you’re coming over. I can provide you with seriously worthwhile ways to avoid tourist traps (rampant) and a decent set of things to go and see.

Hey, that’s what Free And Open And A Million Eyes is all about, no?

Yeah… I mean… I have pirated software and music, but I don’t think I was entitled to it or anything. I obtained an illegal copy. That’s the end of that.

well, here is where i polish my halo. :D (sorry, i’m a dane, in case i’m making a wrong metaphor)

I have it as a principle that if i obtain something via torrent it’s got to be either: A: Something i’ve bought, but lost. (Case in point: Død Snø, and “Smash” by the offspring). or B: if i decide to keep it, i gotta pay for it. (Case in point: Braid, Children Of Bodom and the Hellraiser trilogy)

Though i’m all for sticking it to the big-screen-hollywood-man.. But on the other hand.. i do that by not watching their movies… Notable exceptions here and there.. Not every movie to come out of hollowood is horrible. – Though most are.

I’d still watch series on the internet though. – in Denmark Futurama never had any runs on TV.. I discovered it by chance, on the internet. But i have since bought the seasons on DVD. Point is: Without illegal sites showing futurama, i’d have never bought the season boxes.

Upon rereading my comment, i apologize for lousy grammar.. It’s usually much better.

Ok, you 've convinced me guys. I am totally going to spend 1000 euros to purchase all of my favorite movies i now have pirated. Or failing that, destroy all the pirated copies and forgo owning a copy of said movies. (sarcasm)

Oh, and how many of you have NEVER downloaded a movie or song illegally? DrLoser?

So, if copyright infingement is stealing, as you say, you are a bunch of thieves.

@DrLoser

Hey, as matter of facts I’m going to Southampton this fall to study an MSc Software Eng. A few tips for travelling around UK would be really appreciated (if I have the time, of course).

@Master L:

I’ll write them down on my blog tomorrow, you little tw… wait, wait, I’m not on LHB any longer, am I?

Seriously, I’ll put a little thought into it. (I suspect that you’ll get more mileage out of the comments, though.)

@Kurkos:

I don’t believe I have, no. Certainly not a movie (I’ve never had the equipment to do so in a visually worthwhile manner). Almost certainly not a song, although that’s far more likely; I just can’t think of one off-hand. I’ve certainly never used torrents for anything.

Aren’t I the goody goody? No, I’m a petty thief like everybody else. I currently owe the local train company two quid for jumping on a train without a ticket, because I’d have missed my connection on the other end unless I did so. They stiff me back every now and again by cancelling late night trains and making me use a taxi, so it probably works out even; but it’s still being a thief.

It’s simply that I go beyond the “don’t try to pretend it’s moral” argument that you use, and to the “admit it’s immoral and try to stop it” one. Be as imperfect as you like, but at least draw a quantitative (not a qualitative, I think you have that) line somewhere.

“Or failing that, destroy all the pirated copies and forgo owning a copy of said movies. (sarcasm)”

So you own pirated copies of movies?

Will you also tell us all about those dozens of cats you have perhaps also hoarded, kind sir?

Sigh, I see the old Kurkosdr is still trying to pretend that illegally copying/downloading movies with no intention of every paying is still not equivilent to stealing. I personally hope he is an atheist like me, otherwise he is gonna be burning in his religious version of hell along side of me… the lonly diff being that one of us knew what we were doing was against the rules.

He’s not an atheist like you. God likes atheists. They give him a reason to exist.

Kurkos is just a plain and simple cnut.

Ah Dr L., the simple fact is that he, like all pirates do computer pirating for the simple fact that they believe they can get away with it. IF they KNEW they couldn’t get away with it, they would be queing up to buy legitimate copies left, right, and center.