I sometimes feel sorry for these people. Do they really believe what they’re saying? Can someone really be THAT paranoid and worry about evil corporations stealing some little scribbles they drew?

By the way, don’t worry about giving the FSF traffic, they don’t have any ads on their websites (other than the ugly gifs that link to the same website…)

What the f*ck? These FSF fat@sses are the definition of c-u-n-t.

F*ck this organization. I owned a DS once and it wasn’t tracking me.

TL;DR Bitchard Stallmaam can suck a dick.

Well I’ll just go ahead and grab some games for my state-of-the-art FSF-approved portable gaming console. You know, the one that doesn’t exist.

Seriously, what century are these idiots in?

I see people here fall into the category of “passively accepting whatever corporations put in front of us, as long as the product is good enough”.

“I see people here fall into the category of “passively accepting whatever corporations put in front of us, as long as the product is good enough”.”

I believe the good enough mantra is the one that actually is given as a justification for FOSS.

so whats the problem?

That is never the justification for FOSS. FOSS licenses exist to prevent corporations from having the right to surgically attach your mouth to someone’s butthole. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

never mind that most fossites have the mouths surgically attached to RMS’ anus?

How is that even possible? There is only RMS and many “fossites”. :)

I think you Winbreds like to overestimate the amount of reverence the typical Linux and FOSS enthusiast has for RMS. I think because he is a barefoot hippy means him an easy target for shallow idiots. That’s probably why Lawrence Lessig doesn’t get nearly as much as abuse despite preaching the same exact things (actually, Lessig even broadened the scope in his works).

The same way you like to think the average Windows user even know who Steve Ballmer is?

@ADAM_KING
I actually think (you know, by using my brain) before I accept anything I hear, whether it’s from corporations or from RMS. For example, back in the original iPhone time, Apple said they won’t allow 3rd party applications because they ruin the iPhone experience¹. I laughed at that. When RMS says that pretty much 99% of Open Source operating systems are not FSF-approved Free Software², including the very stringent Debian and OpenBSD, I laugh too.

I realize that most Linux users don’t worship RMS as many people here think, but if you start calling them corporation-drones, be ready to be called RMS-drone. It’s only fair.

Open Source people should try to publicly denounce or at least distance themselves from RMS’s Free Software. It’s like being a Muslim and automatically being associated with Al-Qaeda. RMS is the Bin Laden of Free Software (they even have the same beard).

[1] I can’t find an original citation, but this is close enough: http://obviousdiversion.com/technology/3rd-party-iphone-apps/
[2] http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html

Except Bin Laden actually had some success in his campaigns. Has the FSF managed to conjure ANYTHING from their efforts? Nope.

Adam King: “... to prevent corporations from surgically attaching your mouth to their butthole.”

Adam King: “I’m speaking metaphorically, of course.”

Adam King: “How is attaching more than one mouth to RMS’ anus even possible?”

Make up your mind, kid. Either you’re talking metaphorically — and using a particularly uninformative metaphor at that — or you’re not.

Either way, it’s not unreasonable to use the same line of argument against you. In fact, it’s common courtesy.

(Not something you would understand, of course.)

“Open Source people should try to publicly denounce or at least distance themselves from RMS’s Free Software. It’s like being a Muslim and automatically being associated with Al-Qaeda. RMS is the Bin Laden of Free Software (they even have the same beard).”

So RMS blows up skyscrapers? Rofl.

I can bore you (and everyone else) with the definition of “metaphor” then try to point out the subtleties in my comment (which was hardly subtle¹). But alas, I’m certain you will continue to completely miss the point and ignore any smart argument.

[1] If you’re really curious, they’re both extremists who give a bad name to everyone associated with them. The analogy ends there. RMS is not a terrorist. Happy?

@Adam:

We are all very lucky that Linux Powers Skyscrapers.

Otherwise, yes. He probably would.

Sorry, that’s “Gnu/Linux.” I have transgnressed the gnunwritten groklaw…

Voluntary users of that other OS are akin to blacks in the US civil war who fought for the south because they refused to accept the freedom offered to them by their northern bretheren. Yet the north prevailed and the black man enjoys perfect freedom to this day.

Yes, freedom so perfect the US president has been asked to prove his US citizenship by revealing his birth certificate.

FSF nonsense aside, the term in the TOS that says they own all the photos you have created with the 3DS (even the ones you didn’t upload to their online service) must be dropped, as it’s a unenforcable piece of legalese that violates people’s right to privacy. This is why you shouldn’t let lawyers who specialize in intercorporation relationships write user agreements.

Sure, many forums have a similar term too, but there is a difference between stuff i have chosen to upload somewhere (aka share publicly) and stuff i may want to keep private.

As regards the DRM ramblings, the Atari 2600 didn’t have a method to prevent unsigned games from running, and we all know how this ended (Custer’s revenge).

And what the heck is wrong with real bricks. Are they too expensive?

“Cheap, as in bricks.”

@ kurkosdr

It’s easy to say “FSF nonsense aside”. But without the FSF actually giving a rats ass about YOUR rights, I doubt you’d even have Internet access today that didn’t force you directly to disney.com

The FSF have literally zero influence. They’re sending a few cardboard bricks as their “huge” campaign against Nintendo.

This would be like thinking the lone guy with the picket sign is affecting the same change organizations like the World Wildlife Fund or Greenpeace are.

GPL v3 protects your rights:

“c) You must license the entire work, as a whole, under this License to anyone who comes into possession of a copy. This License will therefore apply, along with any applicable section 7 additional terms, to the whole of the work, and all its parts, regardless of how they are packaged. This License gives no permission to license the work in any other way, but it does not invalidate such permission if you have separately received it.”

@administrator

You 've pretty much nailed it. The FSF is like the Earth Liberation Front, while the EFF is like Greenpeace or WWF. Dear Adam, the guys over at the FSF have such perverted ideas that noone is listening to them. Proprietary software is not evil by itself, it’s the stupid EULA terms some companies make.

@JoeMonco

This section is about the program and the program’s source code itself. Everything you create with a GPL’ed program is your copyright no matter what, we 've got to give the loons that.

As regards the protest, there bricks arm going straight to Nintendo’s trash can, so it’s not like they will harm them in any way. Nor it will make them change their ways.

Usually, protest are held in front of the public, as to embarrass them and force them change position.

“Everything you create with a GPL’ed program is your copyright no matter what, we 've got to give the loons that.”

This is except that you are not allowed to, under GPLv3, distribute your modifications under any licensing terms except GPLv3, thus stripping any meaning there is to you being the owner of your copyrighted work.

The user agreements that you constantly speak against (including the 3DS end user agreement), on the other hand, does not come with this problem.

Whoever ran this campaign is a dumbf*ck.