10) Everyone I ever see using Windows (everyone) do not see the file extensions… Meaning they can’t 'accidentally’ change them. However the first thing I do on a new computer is show file extensions. 9) So what do you do on Linux if something freezes? The always there command-line? Not only that, but they must be talking about Windows XP because Windows never seemed to properly handle hanging applications and the only way to kill them was the task manager (XP would show a “This program isn’t responding, would you like to kill it?” prompt, but it did nothing). But Vista and W7 actually do it. 8) What? User Account Control? Oh, that’s right… they’re talking about a decade old operating system, XP. 7) How can a company that gave us a free operating system go wrong? Oh that’s right, there isn’t a central company which gives the Linux market massive fragmentation, as we are seeing in Android even though there is a central company (Google), who made it “open source.” 6) InherentlySecure™ 5) Yeah, because Microsoft goes after the individuals using it, not the companies or groups creating it. 4) Yeah, that’s right… Because Linux updates do require updates, they just lie to peoples faces. Well, I actually don’t think most lie about it these days, because they don’t know the truth any more. 3) XP, again? 2) You mean all that stuff that uninstalls? 1) Have no idea what he is talking about.
“Bugs The formats long, belong, lelong, melong, short, beshort, leshort, date, bedate, medate, ledate, beldate, leldate, and meldate are system-dependent; perhaps they should be specified as a number of bytes (2B, 4B, etc), since the files being recognized typically come from a system on which the lengths are invariant.”
9) Consistency when Windows does it is bad. What’s the key-press when X craps in its pants, or Compiz decides to take a short break? 7) How can the community/movement/religion that doesn’t give us a stable ABI/API, working sound, working wireless, OpenGL3/4 support, non-teary video, or consistent copy + paste between programs ever go wrong? 3) Every crash gives you the opportunity to wonder what the hell your computer just did. 2) While Linux installs office suites, media players, compilers, and gigabytes of other crap you never use.
“6. Buy now and they’ll throw-in antivirus and a firewall absolutely free – a $200 value!” Doesn’t these guys ever heard of Avast Antivirus? Oh yeah, ImaginaryProblemsKillWindows™. Also, in Linux, who can’t get a decent antivirus even if you have $200 bucks. And don’t tell me that Linux doesn’t get viruses. And don’t mention ClamAV because it scores dead last on all av comparatives.
“9. The always there when you need it “control-alt-delete” function.” Yup, this is true. In Windows 7, ctrl alt del overrides everything. In Linux, thei “process manager” doesn’t always do that.
“4. One word: Reboot” Not needed anymore. Everything is handed during shutdowns/power ons.
“3. Every crash gives you the opportunity to stop and smell the roses.” One word: X.org
> Doesn’t these guys ever heard of Avast Antivirus? Oh yeah, ImaginaryProblemsKillWindows™.
Don’t forget about Microsoft Security Essentials. It may not be as good as those $200 antivirus solutions, but it does the job — for free.
Yeah, ClamAV sucks, well, you know. Surprised they haven’t deconstructed MSE’s definition files to figure out how they are formatted and at least use those. The latest can always be downloaded here: http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Definitions/ADL.aspx
10) A Windows 98 error message. LOL. Also, Linux is magically SIGSEGV protected? 9) SCOCEO. Unfunny. 8) Windows boundles Office? Wasn’t aware. 7) Indeed. HOLYCOW I’M ROLLING SO DOS. 6) O rite 5) Right, Linux users always forget to reboot :> 4) Another SCOCEO. Seriously, the last one wasn’t funny so this one won’t be either. 3) Windows 7 HP is $119.99 RP. It was available at some point for $50. 2) Right, cause you can’t. 1) Not sure but I think ….
10) Huh??? I mean, seriously, how desperate and/or psychotic must you be to come up with that as an argument against Windows?
9) What’s wrong with it? ctrl+shift+esc saves some clicks btw. (btw, I only occasionally had trouble killing hangups in XP/S2003, but even when it did, process explorer worked fine.
8) No, it doesn’t.
7) That one grew a beard ages ago
6) I concur with m’colleagues here: Install Avast or another AV of your choice once, and forget about the matter. Also, the majority of consumer DSL modems and routers have a builtin firewall.
5) Yes, I’m worrying about it all the time gasp
4) Yes, that is one word.
3) Thankfully it rarely crashes, because I don’t like the smell of roses.
2) And you know that because you’ve decompiled the code and/or examined the internals? Wow, I’m amazed you found the time to do it in between all that FOSS source code reading.
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10) It means that you’re using either an outdated OS, or a crappily coded app (which of course must be a proprietary app, since we all know the high coding standards of FOSS)
9) I don’t understand that either, since I lived in blissfull ignorance of the details, because of a severe case of tl;dr
8) At least it works
7) The registry kind of to /etc, what PowerShell is to bash, except that the reg more consistent and does away with needing higher vi-skills. Really guys, have you ever even looked at it, or are you just aping what oth- ... oh wait, you’d never do that, of course
6) It’s what protects you against nasties you’re not smart enough to find hidden on your Linux box. (Neither am I smart enough for that btw, which is why I use AV).
5) Let me see … excepting device drivers (you know, those things that make your hardware worky-worky) I think the last time I did that was back in the W98 days
4) Another thing I share non-understanding about, because of tl;dr – Ah, blissfull ignorance.
3) But at least it works
2) It’s what is taken care of in the background so that whenever you check manually you see that there is no need to defragment your hard drive.
1) Because not everybody owns a turtle.
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Not really. /etc (and dotfiles) is the Unix equivalent of the Control Panel and Microsoft Management Console (i.e., meant to be used by humans). The Windows way is much more user friendly though. Of course, there are GUI programs that edit these files, but writing them would’ve been much easier if they used a consistent config system instead of text files.
There is no equivalent for the registry in Linux. There are half-baked systems like gconf, dconf, elektra, and whatever system GNOME and KDE developers re-create every couple of years.. But no, nothing as ubiquitous as the registry.
I think this is a common misunderstanding. The people who make fun of the registry don’t understand its purpose. It’s not supposed to be edited by humans; having to edit it by hand means that the GUI failed and it needs to be fixed (Or you’re doing something the programmers don’t want you to do).
—— “needing higher vi-skills.”
You can use any text editor.
Besides, regedit’s capabilities are equivalent to those of notepad (read: hardly any).
—— “Really guys, have you ever even looked at it”
Are you seriously suggesting someone go and browse the registry looking for an option they want to change? That’s just ridiculous.
You’re being very unfair to Notepad. It is far more fully-featured than Regedit.
I genuinely don’t see RC’s point, because I have never even considered regedit as anything other than an emergency patch system. It’s handy for visualisation when you are (like me) developing a WiX installation package. It’s even handier for cleaning the mess up afterwards —
— BECAUSE I KNOWWHERE I PUT EVERYTHING!
But it’s absurd to expect it to track down cross-hive dependencies and so on.
I can see an opening for a nifty little GUID-based tool (since you cannot really use MSI without GUIDS) that actually keeps all dependencies from a single app installation together, but I think we both agree that it would be more trouble than it’s worth. You’d need a fairly severe set of protocols to which all app developers would have to adhere; otherwise you’d just get ini files all over the place and then you’d be back at the Linux nightmare.
Fundamentally I think the point of the Registry is that it is a sane and sensible and structured way for an application to store information, as opposed to a bunch of shell-scripts all over the place.
That is all it is, and that is more than enough for me. As far as I’m concerned it is basically read-only and should remain that way.
I meant it a bit more whimsical than the whole technical truth. Of course the registry is not /etc (thank goodness), but my point is that part of its use is as just another way of thinking about centralizing configuration settings. You make an excellent point that if you need to edit it, the GUI needs to be fixed, although to be honest I occasionally find registry tweaks very helpful – but in that respect it forces/encourage you to actually think, and try to understand what you’re doing, before you tweak. (I apologize if I’m still not formulating entirely clearly … it’s been a short night and a long day :) ).
“Are you seriously suggesting someone go and browse the registry looking for an option they want to change? That’s just ridiculous.”
Maybe that was a bit unclearly formulated … I meant to say that the majority of criticism on the registry I’ve heard is uttered by people who have never bothered to try and find out what the registry is, what it is not, and how it is used. I think DrLoser described it pretty well.
@DrLoser – Thanks, nicely put and nice Luther reference in the midst of all this heathenness :-)
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10) Everyone I ever see using Windows (everyone) do not see the file extensions… Meaning they can’t 'accidentally’ change them. However the first thing I do on a new computer is show file extensions.
9) So what do you do on Linux if something freezes? The always there command-line? Not only that, but they must be talking about Windows XP because Windows never seemed to properly handle hanging applications and the only way to kill them was the task manager (XP would show a “This program isn’t responding, would you like to kill it?” prompt, but it did nothing). But Vista and W7 actually do it.
8) What? User Account Control? Oh, that’s right… they’re talking about a decade old operating system, XP.
7) How can a company that gave us a free operating system go wrong? Oh that’s right, there isn’t a central company which gives the Linux market massive fragmentation, as we are seeing in Android even though there is a central company (Google), who made it “open source.”
6) InherentlySecure™
5) Yeah, because Microsoft goes after the individuals using it, not the companies or groups creating it.
4) Yeah, that’s right… Because Linux updates do require updates, they just lie to peoples faces. Well, I actually don’t think most lie about it these days, because they don’t know the truth any more.
3) XP, again?
2) You mean all that stuff that uninstalls?
1) Have no idea what he is talking about.
Then take a look at this, about the magic file command in Linux: http://linux.die.net/man/5/magic
“Bugs
The formats long, belong, lelong, melong, short, beshort, leshort, date, bedate, medate, ledate, beldate, leldate, and meldate are system-dependent; perhaps they should be specified as a number of bytes (2B, 4B, etc), since the files being recognized typically come from a system on which the lengths are invariant.”
9) Consistency when Windows does it is bad. What’s the key-press when X craps in its pants, or Compiz decides to take a short break?
7) How can the community/movement/religion that doesn’t give us a stable ABI/API, working sound, working wireless, OpenGL3/4 support, non-teary video, or consistent copy + paste between programs ever go wrong?
3) Every crash gives you the opportunity to wonder what the hell your computer just did.
2) While Linux installs office suites, media players, compilers, and gigabytes of other crap you never use.
DrLoser, you need to stop using that dead language…Perl.
You know what they say. Knit one, Perl one.
6-5 on penalties AET.
“6. Buy now and they’ll throw-in antivirus and a firewall absolutely free – a $200 value!”
Doesn’t these guys ever heard of Avast Antivirus? Oh yeah, ImaginaryProblemsKillWindows™. Also, in Linux, who can’t get a decent antivirus even if you have $200 bucks. And don’t tell me that Linux doesn’t get viruses. And don’t mention ClamAV because it scores dead last on all av comparatives.
“9. The always there when you need it “control-alt-delete” function.”
Yup, this is true. In Windows 7, ctrl alt del overrides everything. In Linux, thei “process manager” doesn’t always do that.
“4. One word: Reboot”
Not needed anymore. Everything is handed during shutdowns/power ons.
“3. Every crash gives you the opportunity to stop and smell the roses.”
One word: X.org
@Ted:
It’s free, but it smells and is exuberantly unstable.
If only all religious movements mirrored their founder that way. The world would be a better place.
Do read the quo, incidentally. If anything, it is even sillier.
> Doesn’t these guys ever heard of Avast Antivirus? Oh yeah, ImaginaryProblemsKillWindows™.
Don’t forget about Microsoft Security Essentials. It may not be as good as those $200 antivirus solutions, but it does the job — for free.
Yeah, ClamAV sucks, well, you know. Surprised they haven’t deconstructed MSE’s definition files to figure out how they are formatted and at least use those. The latest can always be downloaded here: http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Definitions/ADL.aspx
They could just use Wine to run MSE, oh wait, no, they couldn’t… well, never mind then.
“DrLoser, you need to stop using that dead language…Perl.”
Perl is nifty when you need to write scripts for a Unix-y OS. Because, you know, the pipe is so universal and handy-dandy and what not.
@ The second Top10:
10) A Windows 98 error message. LOL. Also, Linux is magically SIGSEGV protected?
9) SCO CEO. Unfunny.
8) Windows boundles Office? Wasn’t aware.
7) Indeed. HOLY COW I’M ROLLING SO DOS.
6) O rite
5) Right, Linux users always forget to reboot :>
4) Another SCO CEO. Seriously, the last one wasn’t funny so this one won’t be either.
3) Windows 7 HP is $119.99 RP. It was available at some point for $50.
2) Right, cause you can’t.
1) Not sure but I think ….
Hahaha this is great stuff. And so true.
It only works once, Adam.
In fact, it doesn’t even work.
10) Huh??? I mean, seriously, how desperate and/or psychotic must you be to come up with that as an argument against Windows?
9) What’s wrong with it? ctrl+shift+esc saves some clicks btw. (btw, I only occasionally had trouble killing hangups in XP/S2003, but even when it did, process explorer worked fine.
8) No, it doesn’t.
7) That one grew a beard ages ago
6) I concur with m’colleagues here: Install Avast or another AV of your choice once, and forget about the matter. Also, the majority of consumer DSL modems and routers have a builtin firewall.
5) Yes, I’m worrying about it all the time gasp
4) Yes, that is one word.
3) Thankfully it rarely crashes, because I don’t like the smell of roses.
2) And you know that because you’ve decompiled the code and/or examined the internals? Wow, I’m amazed you found the time to do it in between all that FOSS source code reading.
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Oh, the quo is lovely indeed!
10) It means that you’re using either an outdated OS, or a crappily coded app (which of course must be a proprietary app, since we all know the high coding standards of FOSS)
9) I don’t understand that either, since I lived in blissfull ignorance of the details, because of a severe case of tl;dr
8) At least it works
7) The registry kind of to /etc, what PowerShell is to bash, except that the reg more consistent and does away with needing higher vi-skills. Really guys, have you ever even looked at it, or are you just aping what oth- ... oh wait, you’d never do that, of course
6) It’s what protects you against nasties you’re not smart enough to find hidden on your Linux box. (Neither am I smart enough for that btw, which is why I use AV).
5) Let me see … excepting device drivers (you know, those things that make your hardware worky-worky) I think the last time I did that was back in the W98 days
4) Another thing I share non-understanding about, because of tl;dr – Ah, blissfull ignorance.
3) But at least it works
2) It’s what is taken care of in the background so that whenever you check manually you see that there is no need to defragment your hard drive.
1) Because not everybody owns a turtle.
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“The registry kind of to /etc”
Not really. /etc (and dotfiles) is the Unix equivalent of the Control Panel and Microsoft Management Console (i.e., meant to be used by humans). The Windows way is much more user friendly though. Of course, there are GUI programs that edit these files, but writing them would’ve been much easier if they used a consistent config system instead of text files.
There is no equivalent for the registry in Linux. There are half-baked systems like gconf, dconf, elektra, and whatever system GNOME and KDE developers re-create every couple of years.. But no, nothing as ubiquitous as the registry.
I think this is a common misunderstanding. The people who make fun of the registry don’t understand its purpose. It’s not supposed to be edited by humans; having to edit it by hand means that the GUI failed and it needs to be fixed (Or you’re doing something the programmers don’t want you to do).
——
“needing higher vi-skills.”
You can use any text editor.
Besides, regedit’s capabilities are equivalent to those of notepad (read: hardly any).
——
“Really guys, have you ever even looked at it”
Are you seriously suggesting someone go and browse the registry looking for an option they want to change? That’s just ridiculous.
@Conzo:
I particularly like the “Because not everybody owns a turtle.” Well, I would, wouldn’t I?
It actually makes more sense than all the original ten questions put together, however…
@IMGX64:
You’re being very unfair to Notepad. It is far more fully-featured than Regedit.
I genuinely don’t see RC’s point, because I have never even considered regedit as anything other than an emergency patch system. It’s handy for visualisation when you are (like me) developing a WiX installation package. It’s even handier for cleaning the mess up afterwards —
— BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE I PUT EVERYTHING!
But it’s absurd to expect it to track down cross-hive dependencies and so on.
I can see an opening for a nifty little GUID-based tool (since you cannot really use MSI without GUIDS) that actually keeps all dependencies from a single app installation together, but I think we both agree that it would be more trouble than it’s worth. You’d need a fairly severe set of protocols to which all app developers would have to adhere; otherwise you’d just get ini files all over the place and then you’d be back at the Linux nightmare.
Fundamentally I think the point of the Registry is that it is a sane and sensible and structured way for an application to store information, as opposed to a bunch of shell-scripts all over the place.
That is all it is, and that is more than enough for me. As far as I’m concerned it is basically read-only and should remain that way.
And as usual I missed out the complimentary bit.
You’re absolutely right, and almost everybody misses that point — Windows users as much as Linux proponents.
The Registry is basically a Lutheran construct:
Hier ich steh’, ich kann nicht alters.
@IMGX64
I meant it a bit more whimsical than the whole technical truth. Of course the registry is not /etc (thank goodness), but my point is that part of its use is as just another way of thinking about centralizing configuration settings. You make an excellent point that if you need to edit it, the GUI needs to be fixed, although to be honest I occasionally find registry tweaks very helpful – but in that respect it forces/encourage you to actually think, and try to understand what you’re doing, before you tweak. (I apologize if I’m still not formulating entirely clearly … it’s been a short night and a long day :) ).
“Are you seriously suggesting someone go and browse the registry looking for an option they want to change? That’s just ridiculous.”
Maybe that was a bit unclearly formulated … I meant to say that the majority of criticism on the registry I’ve heard is uttered by people who have never bothered to try and find out what the registry is, what it is not, and how it is used. I think DrLoser described it pretty well.
@DrLoser – Thanks, nicely put and nice Luther reference in the midst of all this heathenness :-)
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